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From: Nicolas Pouillard <nicolas.pouillard@gmail.com>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: Peng Zang <peng.zang@gmail.com>,
	Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>,
	caml-list <caml-list@yquem.inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] stl?
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:43:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1236200892-sup-9751@ausone.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0903041030490.7859@beast>

Excerpts from Brian Hurt's message of Wed Mar 04 17:14:50 +0100 2009:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Peng Zang wrote:
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> > On Wednesday 04 March 2009 01:11:18 am Brian Hurt wrote:

[...]

> > But I'll add one more reason.  With functors you have extra overhead like
> > having to be explicit with what function you're using.  In your example when
> > you want to use Newton's method you always must write "RatioNewton.newtons"
> > or "FloatNewtons.newtons".  The alternative is to functorize the call site,
> > but (1) that has its own cost: lots of boilerplate functorizing code crowding
> > the real code and (2) you just defer the explicit naming cost as when that
> > function is called you'll still have to call either Float version or Ratio
> > version.
> 
> Yeah.  I think of this as one of the advantages of Functors.
> 
> Here are two real problems I've hit with type classes, in only a few weeks 
> banging around in Haskell.
> 
> For example, you can't have more than one instance of a type class for any 
> given type.  So let's say you want to have a type class for things that 
> can be converted to and from s-expressions, like:

[...]

> Now, I comment you *can* do this in Haskell- using GHC specific 
> extensions.  But you don't need fancy extensions (which cause problems in 
> the type checker, if I understand things correctly) to do this, quite 
> easily, with functors.

Haskell `newtype's is a pretty reasonable answer to this problem.

A `newtype' is a bit like a type with only one constructor of only one argument,
except that there is no runtime cost for it. However by being a *new* type one
can define different instances of type classes for it. Moreover since the
deriving feature is extended on `newtype's, retrieving all the goodness of
the wrapped type is costless (deriving newtype is easy since generally the
code justs virtually unpacks and re-packs using the constructor and call
the same functions on the wrapped value).

Examples:

\begin{code}
{-# LANGUAGE GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving #-}
import Data.List
import Data.Function

newtype MySet a = MkMySet { toList :: [a] } -- here toList is an accessor
                                            -- function (MySet a -> [a])
  deriving (Read,Show,Functor,Monad) -- ...

norm :: Ord a => MySet a -> [a]
norm = nub . sort . toList

instance (Ord a) => Eq (MySet a) where (==) = (==) `on` norm
instance (Ord a) => Ord (MySet a) where compare = compare `on` norm

propMySet = MkMySet [1,2,3,4] == MkMySet [1,1,2,4,3]
\end{code}

Or another one:

\begin{code}
newtype DownInt = DownInt { fromDownInt :: Int }
  deriving (Eq,Read,Show,Enum,Num)

instance Ord DownInt where compare = flip compare `on` fromDownInt
  -- same as compare x y = fromDownInt y `compare` fromDownInt x

propDownInt = DownInt 4 < DownInt 2

-- this example is contrived since sortBy would be simpler here
-- however in larger examples the benifit is clearer, for instance
-- List.sort is not in a functor in OCaml.
sortDownInt :: [Int] -> [Int]
sortDownInt = map fromDownInt . sort . map DownInt

propDownInt' = [4,3,2,1] == sortDownInt [1,2,3,4]

-- since DownInt is in the Num class (an explicit choice
-- from the definition of DownInt), literals can be
-- freely lifted to DownInt.
propDownInt'' = [4,3,2,1] == sort [(1::DownInt),2,3,4]
\end{code}

Note that one can generalize `DownInt' as `Down' and get an easy
way to reverse the order on a type.

Since that, I personally consider type-classes goodness more valuable
than functors usage that doesn't fall in that category.

All the best,

-- 
Nicolas Pouillard


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-04 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-03 21:40 stl? Raoul Duke
2009-03-03 22:31 ` [Caml-list] stl? Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-03 22:42   ` Till Varoquaux
2009-03-03 23:36   ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04  0:13     ` Peng Zang
2009-03-04  0:58     ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04  1:10       ` Raoul Duke
2009-03-04  1:19         ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-04  1:21         ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04  1:29       ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 14:26     ` Kuba Ober
2009-03-04 14:24   ` Kuba Ober
2009-03-03 23:42 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04  0:11   ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04  1:05     ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04  4:56       ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 20:11         ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 21:59           ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 22:42             ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 23:19               ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 23:03             ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-11  3:16               ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-11  5:57                 ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2009-03-11  6:11                   ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2009-03-04  1:59     ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04  6:11       ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 14:08         ` Christophe TROESTLER
2009-03-04 14:19         ` Peng Zang
2009-03-04 16:14           ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 16:35             ` Andreas Rossberg
2009-03-04 16:40             ` Peng Zang
2009-03-04 21:43             ` Nicolas Pouillard [this message]
2009-03-05 11:24             ` Wolfgang Lux
2009-03-04 19:45         ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 21:23           ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 23:17             ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05  2:26             ` stl? Stefan Monnier
2009-03-04  3:10     ` [Caml-list] stl? Martin Jambon
2009-03-04  6:18       ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 16:35 ` Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
2009-03-04 16:48   ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 20:07     ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 20:31       ` Richard Jones
2009-03-04 20:49       ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 21:20         ` Andreas Rossberg
2009-03-04 21:51         ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-04 22:50           ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 23:18             ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-05  1:31               ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05  2:15                 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-05  3:26                   ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05  6:22                     ` yoann padioleau
2009-03-05  7:02                       ` Raoul Duke
2009-03-05  8:07                         ` Erick Tryzelaar
2009-03-05  9:06                       ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05  9:34                         ` malc
2009-03-05  9:56                           ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 10:49                             ` malc
2009-03-05 11:16                               ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 12:39                                 ` malc
2009-03-05 19:39                       ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 21:10                       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-05 22:41                         ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 22:53                         ` malc
2009-03-05  8:59                   ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 17:50                     ` Raoul Duke
2009-03-05  8:17             ` Kuba Ober
2009-03-05  1:06         ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05  9:09           ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 20:44             ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 20:50               ` Jake Donham
2009-03-05 21:28                 ` [Caml-list] OCaml's intermediate representations Jon Harrop

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