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From: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
To: Dawid Toton <d0@wp.pl>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@yquem.inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: What is an applicative functor?
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:34:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1302226479.8429.1154.camel@thinkpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D9E5A80.3010902@wp.pl>

Am Freitag, den 08.04.2011, 02:44 +0200 schrieb Dawid Toton:
> Thanks for the very quick answer.
> Does it mean that I can render a module to be not applicative by adding 
> a record type to it? This would break some existing code which relies on 
> equality of some other types?
> 
> On 2011-04-07 23:49, Gerd Stolpmann wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 07.04.2011, 23:12 +0200 schrieb Dawid Toton:
> >> What does it mean that a functor is applicative?
> > Roughly: If you apply a functor twice with the same input modules, the
> > opaque types in the output remain compatible. For instance:
> >
> > module S1 = Set.Make(String)
> > module S2 = Set.Make(String)
> >
> > Now, S1.t and S2.t are type-compatible, although this type is opaque.
> > (E.g. you can do S1.empty = S2.empty.)
> But sometimes it doesn't work this way:
> 
> module Make2(X : sig end) = struct type s end
> module M1 = Make2(struct end)
> module M2 = Make2(struct end)
> let g (a : M1.s) (b : M2.s) = a = b;;
> 
> Error: This expression has type M2.s but an expression was expected of 
> type M1.s

Because the input module is not the same. It relies on module paths to
check identities.

> > Compare this with:
> >
> > module Make(X : sig end) = struct type t = Variant end
> > module M1 = Make(struct end)
> > module M2 = Make(struct end)

My error. This is of course not the same effect.

> >
> > Now, M1.t and M2.t are incompatible - for nominal types like variants
> > the functors aren't applicative, and each instance is a thing of its
> > own:
> >
> > # M1.Variant = M2.Variant;;
> > Error: This expression has type M2.t but an expression was expected of
> > type M1.t
> >
> Honestly, I don't get it:
> 
> module Make(X : sig end) = struct type t = Variant end
> module Empty = struct end
> module M1 = Make(Empty)
> module M2 = Make(Empty)
>      ;;
> M1.Variant = M2.Variant
>      ;;
> 
> Toplevel responds with:
> 
> module Make : functor (X : sig  end) -> sig type t = Variant end
> module Empty : sig  end
> module M1 : sig type t = Make(Empty).t = Variant end
> module M2 : sig type t = Make(Empty).t = Variant end
> #   - : bool = true
> 
> So I get applicative functor with a nominal type?

I think so. I remembered it the wrong way. There is a paper from XL
about this, see [5] in http://caml.inria.fr/about/papers.en.html.

Gerd



> 
> >> Is there any analogy between applicative functors in OCaml and the
> >> Applicative type class of Haskell?
> I have some idea of it: we consider two types that play nicely together. 
> I pass them through a functor. If the functor is applicative, the two 
> resulting types also play nicely the same way as the original ones.
> Dawid
> 


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  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-08  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-07 21:12 [Caml-list] " Dawid Toton
2011-04-07 21:49 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-08  0:44   ` [Caml-list] " Dawid Toton
2011-04-08  1:34     ` Gerd Stolpmann [this message]
2011-04-08  6:50   ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08  8:04     ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-08  8:20       ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-04-08  8:38         ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-04-08  8:44         ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-08 10:09           ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-04-08 11:25           ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-08 11:58             ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-11  7:10               ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-11  7:21                 ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-08 13:43           ` rossberg
2011-04-08 16:26             ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-13  2:36             ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-13  7:23               ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-15  3:08                 ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-19 14:04                   ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08 16:43     ` Till Varoquaux
2011-04-08 17:35       ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-08 18:44       ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08 21:23     ` Lauri Alanko
2011-04-08 21:34       ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-04-09 11:41       ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08  5:35 ` Stefan Holdermans

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