From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pBEHagxs010826 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:36:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEBAMTd6E7U4xEIkGdsb2JhbABEhQijWYJGIgEBAQEJCQ0HFAMigXIBAQQBI00JBQsLGAICJgICVwaIDQKlR5FsgS+JRIEWBI0OjTOMXg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,353,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="135422423" Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2011 18:36:36 +0100 Received: from office1.lan.sumadev.de (dslb-188-097-012-119.pools.arcor-ip.net [188.97.12.119]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LwmRY-1QdHv12b1s-016Zjl; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:36:35 +0100 Received: from [192.168.178.11] (546BF816.cm-12-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl [84.107.248.22]) by office1.lan.sumadev.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B523C00C7; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:36:35 +0100 (CET) From: Gerd Stolpmann To: Aleksey Nogin Cc: caml-list@inria.fr In-Reply-To: <4EE8DC93.1000806@metaprl.org> References: <4EDE33A0.6070004@gmail.com> <1323760512.9833.9.camel@samsung> <4EE711FB.5020602@frisch.fr> <4EE83C26.7090108@frisch.fr> <1323867161.7750.27.camel@samsung> <4EE8DC93.1000806@metaprl.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:36:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1323884194.7750.58.camel@samsung> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:X+1JlaPuroJAVNGTNtLgIldqbb+gvapnTOwev7jNdok Pc0ndEgBqgMh9QEY8v0Jlkjej8ED411whgcy0bbaTcMqwBzNgu gbb9NqyMhnshNe4JYa2fK7eB0rfJIQFDFqs3HVhmoUxtde/nL0 p54CkWoDzWPyJhtzWz4A2XWIcc2TgVO/qn7nHlNo6d9Kk138ZM M143qddvumwipjeB8f8vpRDE+EpQz0EkqShu0Ft3AhI6unACbR z8WyElbwn6MkGf/nNb33FBCVIMxtiYza/3/Lp7JBG4UETNBGNB 9e6+Hz6hZnv11735lYJRjpkn+1cYiq3D+heVoZc0eGEJXkBVkO ttwuYWIem/g9qw1QFhtZ6Eqz5pH9FSY+Z6Q9W9LII Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Some comments on recent discussions Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2011, 09:27 -0800 schrieb Aleksey Nogin: > On 14.12.2011 04:52, Gerd Stolpmann wrote: > > > I don't think you will be able to convince everybody - at this point the > > issue becomes political in some sense: Do we want to give up our Unix > > habits just to support an OS we (often enough) do not like, and would > > only cover to get more love from the world? > > > > There could be an alternative: The "busybox approach". We could develop > > a toolkit that covers all the Unix commands we need for the existing > > build scripts. It would include easy things like cp, mv etc., but also a > > classic "make" (medium difficulty, note that it could reuse the > > godi_make code), and especially a POSIX shell. The latter is a bit of > > work, but not too much. I'd guess the overall effort takes not more than > > 1-2 weeks if done by somebody how knows the semantics of the tools very > > well. > > > > There are a number of advantages over Cygwin: > > - No danger of running into licensing problems > > - The Unix compatibility is only maintained for commands, but not on > > the system call level (eaiser to use, less surprises, fewer deps,...) > > - It would only be a small download, and easy to integrate into > > installers > > Note that to a degree, OMake already provides the ability to do > Unix-style things under Windows. I know, and this makes me quite optimistic that it is not that hard to develop standalone executables for the frequently used Unix utilities. Gerd > Aleksey > >