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From: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
To: Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Hashtbl and security
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:16:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1325279784.5036.113.camel@samsung> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EFDEF92.3010204@inria.fr>

Am Freitag, den 30.12.2011, 18:06 +0100 schrieb Xavier Leroy:
> > 3) Use "randomized" hash tables. The trick here is that there is not a
> > single hash function h anymore, but a family h(1)...h(n). When the hash
> > table is created, one of the functions is picked randomly. This makes it
> > impossible to craft an attack request, because you cannot predict the
> > function. 
> 
> Indeed.  The optional "seed" parameter to Hashtbl.create does exactly
> this in the new implementation of Hashtbl (the one based on Murmur3).

I see. It will be available in 3.13:

val create : ?seed:int -> int -> ('a, 'b) t

There is also an additional functorized interface where this seed
argument exists (Hashtbl.MakeSeeded), and the hash functions seeded_hash
and seeded_hash_param. Well done!

Nevertheless, as we all don't know when 3.13 is ready, I'll have to find
a temporary fix for Ocamlnet. Maybe just a limit for the number of POST
parameters.

> > So, the question is how to do 3). I see two problems here:
> > 
> > a) how to define the family of hash functions. Is it e.g. sufficient to
> > introduce an initialization vector for the Murmurhash algorithm, and
> > fill it randomly?
> 
> IIRC, the Web pages for the Murmur family of hashes gives some
> statistical evidence that this approach works.
> 
> > How to get a random number that is good enough?
> 
> Hmm.  /dev/random is your friend on the platforms that support it.
> Otherwise, there's always the Random module, but Random.self_init
> isn't very strong.

Well, /dev/(u)random covers most Unix platforms nowadays. If you are
interested, I have a wrapper for Win32:

https://godirepo.camlcity.org/svn/lib-ocamlnet2/trunk/code/src/netsys/netsys_c_win32.c

Scroll down until netsys_fill_random.

Gerd
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  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-30 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-30 16:44 Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-30 16:48 ` Yaron Minsky
2011-12-30 19:01   ` David Allsopp
2011-12-30 20:52     ` Yaron Minsky
2011-12-30 21:54       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-30 17:06 ` Xavier Leroy
2011-12-30 21:16   ` Gerd Stolpmann [this message]
2011-12-31  0:57   ` oliver
2011-12-31  0:59     ` oliver
2012-01-01 12:52   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2012-01-01 17:29     ` Xavier Leroy
2012-01-01 21:04       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2012-01-01 23:24         ` oliver
2012-01-01 23:58           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2012-01-02  1:43             ` oliver
2012-01-04 17:56               ` Damien Doligez
2012-01-04 21:52                 ` oliver
2012-01-02  9:34         ` David MENTRE
2012-01-30 10:54       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-30 17:40 ` rixed
2011-12-30 17:52   ` Edgar Friendly
2011-12-31  1:02   ` oliver
2011-12-31  0:33 ` oliver
2012-01-02  0:21 ` Shawn Wagner
2012-01-02 14:52   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2012-01-30 10:51 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2012-01-31 14:16   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2012-02-08  9:41     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2012-02-08 10:43       ` Philippe Wang
2012-02-08 10:46       ` AUGER Cédric
2012-02-09 13:22         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2012-02-09 14:48           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2012-02-08 11:12       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2012-02-09 13:11         ` Goswin von Brederlow

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