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From: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
To: Mark Shinwell <mshinwell@janestreet.com>
Cc: Thomas Refis <thomas.refis@gmail.com>,
	Damien Doligez <damien.doligez@inria.fr>,
	Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org>,
	 OCaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] use of ";;" when teaching Ocaml
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:30:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1434990659.31996.30.camel@e130.lan.sumadev.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM3Ki77U75Gb4iZQhPyXWCUyD_ghC9hDuYxh=Ms8hymfhat=jQ@mail.gmail.com>

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Am Montag, den 22.06.2015, 17:07 +0100 schrieb Mark Shinwell:
> I've heard the argument of Gerd from various people on many occasions.
> Personally, I don't buy it; I think the situation where the error
> message is deficient doesn't happen very often, whereas ";;" is
> syntactic clutter that I have to see every day (and would rather not
> see).

Note that I personally normally don't use ;; because I am very aware of
the problem and fluent enough in the OCaml syntax to help myself. I was
mentioning this point because beginners are not fluent, and they will
run into the problem of getting syntax errors where everything looks
alright.

Also, I actually don't see why not using ";;" is considered cleaner.
It's a bit like writing sentences without full stop (and I think the
analogy to natural languages is quite insightful because there you also
have the situation of open-ended syntactical constructions, and nobody
complains when authors use "." to mark the end of sentences). After all,
it's a matter of preference and practical usefulness.

As a side note, the situation would be different if the compiler emitted
warnings about obviously wrong indentation, because the information
where the writer thinks that a new definition begins is also already
included in the indentation.

Gerd

> 
> Mark
> 
> On 22 June 2015 at 16:56, Thomas Refis <thomas.refis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2015-06-22 16:48 GMT+01:00 Damien Doligez <damien.doligez@inria.fr>:
> >> Gerd has totally nailed it, and that's the reason why I always use ;;
> >> in my code.
> >> If we had another keyword for toplevel let (let without in) the
> >> situation would be quite different.
> >
> > http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-camlp4/manual007.html !
> >
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-22 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-22 13:31 Alan Schmitt
2015-06-22 13:52 ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-22 13:53 ` Daniil Baturin
2015-06-22 14:19 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-06-22 15:48   ` Damien Doligez
2015-06-22 15:56     ` Thomas Refis
2015-06-22 16:07       ` Mark Shinwell
2015-06-22 16:30         ` Gerd Stolpmann [this message]
2015-06-22 16:47           ` Mark Shinwell
2015-06-22 17:08             ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-06-22 18:56             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-06-22 17:18           ` Török Edwin
2015-06-22 17:42         ` Francois Berenger
2015-06-22 17:46           ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-22 17:53           ` John Whitington
2015-06-22 16:07     ` Pippijn van Steenhoven
2015-06-22 16:25       ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-06-22 18:18       ` Steve Zdancewic
2015-06-22 16:42   ` Thomas Refis
2015-06-22 16:47     ` David House
2015-06-22 17:08     ` Daniil Baturin
2015-06-22 17:04 ` Daniel Bünzli
2015-06-22 23:41 ` Philippe Wang
2015-06-23  1:15   ` Kenichi Asai
2015-06-23 13:27   ` Alan Schmitt
2015-06-23 13:35     ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-23 13:36       ` Ivan Gotovchits
2015-06-25 16:51     ` Philippe Wang
2015-06-29  0:12       ` Philippe Wang

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