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From: Jean-Christophe Filliatre <Jean-Christophe.Filliatre@lri.fr>
To: "Dennis (Gang) Chen" <Dennis.G.Chen@motorola.com>
Cc: Pierre Weis <Pierre.Weis@inria.fr>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: When functional languages can be accepted by industry?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:53:21 +0200 (MEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <14581.28385.615880.93928@pc89.lri.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <38F3D520.9CD19485@motorola.com>


> more attractive than C++. In ocaml, there are arrays, structures
> and objects etc, but no such things like pointers in C.

Wrong. You have references, which are quite better than pointers (they
are typed, and necessarily initialized)

> 1. Current functional languages do not have enough library support:

Please. ocaml has  the most wonderful standard library  that any other
language  has ever had.  Have a  look in  the reference  manual before
stating such non-sense.

> 2. Functional languages do not well support the use of dynamic
> data structures which requires mutable operations for achieving the
> efficiency;

Wrong. And you should stop thinking that efficiency means mutable data
structures. Once again, read Okasaki's book.

> It is no doubt that functional languages will continue to succeed in
> eduacation,  research,  high  level  specification,  formal  program
> verification, fast prototyping, etc. But,  it appears to me that, in
> industry, the second approach might succeed in most cases.

Your arguments  are not the good  ones. People in industry  do not use
functional programming for other reasons: because this is not in their
culture, because  they don't know,  because they have not  been taught
functional programming. Some of  them, like you, think that functional
programming languages are inefficient, but they are wrong.

-- 
Jean-Christophe FILLIATRE
  mailto:Jean-Christophe.Filliatre@lri.fr
  http://www.lri.fr/~filliatr



  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-04-13 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-04-03  1:27 Dennis (Gang) Chen
2000-04-06 16:51 ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2000-04-07  5:27   ` Dennis (Gang) Chen
     [not found]     ` <14574.1721.508470.790475@cylinder.csl.sri.com>
2000-04-11  0:24       ` Dennis (Gang) Chen
2000-04-11 17:58         ` Pierre Weis
2000-04-12  1:45           ` Dennis (Gang) Chen
2000-04-12 17:27             ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2000-04-13 15:40               ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-14 19:16                 ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-12 18:06             ` David Brown
2000-04-13  1:23               ` Dennis (Gang) Chen
2000-04-13 14:36                 ` Pierre Weis
2000-04-13  6:53             ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre [this message]
2000-04-13 12:20               ` Frank Atanassow
2000-04-13 17:28                 ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-13 12:28               ` Steve Stevenson
2000-04-13 13:38               ` jean-marc alliot
2000-04-13 16:00                 ` William Chesters
2000-04-13 14:29               ` T. Kurt Bond
2000-04-13 17:23                 ` Julian Assange
2000-04-16 16:33                   ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-17 15:06                   ` Markus Mottl
2000-04-17 19:55                     ` John Prevost
2000-04-24  2:36                       ` Chris Tilt
2000-04-14  9:19                 ` The beginning of a library for Formal algebra and numerical Analysis Christophe Raffalli
2000-04-14  9:32                 ` Caml wish list Christophe Raffalli
2000-04-19 11:40                   ` thierry BRAVIER
2000-04-19 13:45                     ` William Chesters
2000-04-19 20:45                       ` Christophe Raffalli
2000-04-25 18:16                       ` Pierre Weis
2000-05-10  4:50                         ` reference initialization Hongwei Xi
2000-05-11 13:58                           ` Pierre Weis
2000-05-11 18:59                             ` Hongwei Xi
2000-05-12 17:07                               ` Pierre Weis
2000-05-12 19:59                                 ` Hongwei Xi
2000-05-15  6:58                                   ` Max Skaller
2000-05-15 17:56                                     ` Hongwei Xi
2000-05-14 14:37                                 ` John Max Skaller
2000-05-13  7:07                               ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2000-05-13  7:09                               ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2000-05-11 16:02                           ` John Prevost
2000-04-13 16:59               ` When functional languages can be accepted by industry? John Max Skaller
2000-04-15 22:29                 ` William Chesters
2000-04-16 22:24                 ` Nickolay Semyonov
2000-04-18  6:52                   ` Max Skaller
2000-04-17 12:51                 ` jean-marc alliot
2000-04-17 17:49                   ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-17 22:34                     ` Brian Rogoff
2000-04-19 15:31                       ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-19 18:30                       ` Michael Hicks
2000-04-20 16:40                       ` Markus Mottl
2000-04-20 17:58                         ` Brian Rogoff
2000-04-20 18:52                           ` Markus Mottl
2000-04-21 20:44                             ` Michael Hohn
2000-04-21 19:22                           ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-21 19:09                         ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-21 19:45                           ` Markus Mottl
2000-04-21 19:56                           ` Brian Rogoff
2000-04-21 19:18                         ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-18 10:53                     ` Sven LUTHER
2000-04-19 15:57                       ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-13  7:05             ` Pierre Weis
2000-04-13 17:04               ` Julian Assange
2000-04-07 15:44 ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-17 12:57 FALCON Gilles FTRD/DTL/LAN
2000-04-17 15:35 ` Xavier Leroy
2000-04-18  5:54   ` Francois Pottier
2000-04-19 14:53     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2000-04-19 15:17       ` Claude Marche
2000-04-20  1:44       ` Max Skaller
2000-04-20  3:01         ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2000-04-21  0:41         ` Jacques Garrigue
2000-04-21 19:35           ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-21 20:53           ` Michael Hohn
2000-04-25 10:50           ` Remi VANICAT
2000-04-20  1:52       ` Max Skaller
2000-04-20  3:08         ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2000-04-20  2:51           ` Max Skaller
2000-04-20 17:17       ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2000-04-17 22:24 bdb-as-camluser
2000-04-20 12:45 Gerd Stolpmann
2000-04-21 19:56 ` John Max Skaller
2000-04-22 18:30   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2000-04-23  3:20     ` John Max Skaller

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