From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45BF981799 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:21:28 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of info@gerd-stolpmann.de) identity=pra; client-ip=212.227.17.8; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="info@gerd-stolpmann.de"; x-sender="info@gerd-stolpmann.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of info@gerd-stolpmann.de) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=212.227.17.8; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="info@gerd-stolpmann.de"; x-sender="info@gerd-stolpmann.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: domain of postmaster@moutng.kundenserver.de designates 212.227.17.8 as permitted sender) identity=helo; client-ip=212.227.17.8; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="info@gerd-stolpmann.de"; x-sender="postmaster@moutng.kundenserver.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMEAJWh7VHU4xEIbWdsb2JhbABbgzhQjE+gdpJtgRYWDgsLDAYWAyWDJBWBPAkIA4gACLg2iWWFDIElHYNoA45lGIoJjlWEY4Fo X-IPAS-Result: AgMEAJWh7VHU4xEIbWdsb2JhbABbgzhQjE+gdpJtgRYWDgsLDAYWAyWDJBWBPAkIA4gACLg2iWWFDIElHYNoA45lGIoJjlWEY4Fo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,721,1367964000"; d="scan'208";a="26930856" Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 22 Jul 2013 23:21:27 +0200 Received: from office1.lan.sumadev.de (dslb-084-059-078-221.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.59.78.221]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M2ndG-1U9xwX0wn0-00sgXa; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:21:27 +0200 Received: from gps.dynxs.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office1.lan.sumadev.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0972C00CF; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.107.248.22 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gerd) by gps.dynxs.de with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:21:26 +0200 Message-ID: <1e141e2803d9dec6a8231dd4f16dd173.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:21:26 +0200 From: "Gerd Stolpmann" To: caml-list@inria.fr Cc: godi-list@ocaml-programming.de User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:llbDkzTe2xNzBqfhfxd2McGlM+/UsxrpvSM4Cy82mAA VycnuCiwzXkD8I7lriudzscBJPH3byYKfn8lN/Y6U6m0PCFyiD SYDrfWcNIIqMCN3BxiEPVXyX5Vn9yeEWkQmrqc7LsjfVR5tCCd 9ykJni9Z2hsy5AaMSLPi0jKcWb8i6k9pp+vIXIg3ELQ2CfeSbA kWNzEc8RrzVkCnqY/dOelAjbYQNz0Xmw5Bzg1M948UvaEAngnG uRllTqR+aj1E2W1LqCMI6EEfhw0/1Dh5w1gVq9+uXZc3pDkWyz Hl3ipTDUq7tYYuKpR4w2httdGHOSOHJulPD1GOhKkzOTDRR//G wEZWs7NFeTSGR2kWF8H6abLZ4Ydief5MfL3sodhcp8j9nXm6Dt 0oUmSyHuLycbz8YgxSiYEdoVdodMgvifRk= Subject: [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Dear subscriber, Unfortunately, it is no longer possible for me to run the GODI distribution. GODI will not upgrade to OCaml 4.01 once it is out, and it will shut down the public service in the course of September 2013. The website, camlcity.org, will remain up, but with reduced content. Existing GODI installations can be continued to be used, but upgrades or bugfixes will not be available when GODI is off. Although there are still a lot of GODI users, it is unavoidable to shut GODI down due to lack of supporters, especially package developers. I was more or less alone in the past months, and my time contingent will not allow it to do the upgrade to OCaml 4.01 alone (when it is released). Also, there was a lot of noise about a competing packaging system for OCaml in the past weeks: OPAM. Apparently, it got a lot of attention both from individuals and from organizations. As I see it, the OCaml community is too small to support two systems, and so in some sense GODI is displaced by OPAM. The sad part is that OPAM is only clearly better in one point, namely in interacting with the community (via Github). In times where social networks are worth billions this is probably the striking point. It doesn't matter that OPAM lacks core functions like deleting all files when a package is removed, and that it lacks many other features GODI has. So there is some loss of functionality for the community (partly difficult to replace, like GODI's support for Windows). If somebody wants to take over GODI, please do so. The source code is still available as well as the package directories. Maybe it is sufficient to move the repository to a public place and to redesign the package release process to give GODI a restart. There is also another point that was driving me mad in the past weeks, namely missing respect from the OPAM guys. Given the fact that OPAM is only a thin layer around ocamlfind (and guess who wrote it), and given the fact that GODI was pioneering in many fields, I was expecting nicer wordings, and less dumb campaigning ("we have 400 packages, and you only 170"). OPAM is only harvesting what I seeded many years ago. Let's hope these guys get now some kicks into their asses, and are forced to add all the functionality to OPAM the OCaml community deserves. Hoorn (NL), the 22nd July 2013, Gerd Stolpmann --=20 Gerd Stolpmann, Darmstadt, Germany gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de Creator of GODI and camlcity.org. Contact details: http://www.camlcity.org/contact.html Company homepage: http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de