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From: Markus Mottl <mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at>
To: "Joseph R. Kiniry" <kiniry@acm.org>
Cc: OCAML <caml-list@inria.fr>, Mattias Waldau <mattias.waldau@abc.se>
Subject: Re: JIT-compilation for OCaml?
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:19:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010103191903.B29666@miss.wu-wien.ac.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49780000.978544197@kind.kindsoftware.com>; from kiniry@acm.org on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:49:57 -0800

On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Joseph R. Kiniry wrote:
> > No, I don't use it at all, but I believe you that it must be very
> > painful ;)
> 
> Not to go offtopic, but I'd rather see list members educated rather than 
> FUD'ded.  If ML is a Prius we still have to respect the Taurus that is Java.

There was a smiley after my criticism... - anyway, though I'd never want
to switch to Java when I can use OCaml, it isn't this bad compared to
other mainstream languages. At least some major insanities have been
removed.

> In fact, one of my companies chose Java over five competitor languages 
> (Objective-C, C++, Eiffel, CLOS, and oTcl) in a head-to-head test.  Note 
> that this company is a group of uber-geeks with a language geek at the helm 
> (me), so we were not working in a vacuum.

Why didn't you compare to OCaml or other FPLs (e.g. Haskell, Clean, etc.)?
Business reasons?

> Certainly the breadth and growth of Java's libraries is a marvel, but I 
> *certainly* wouldn't say that they are a uniform example of good design. 
> It amazes me that a package can go through so much semi-public design 
> review and still have serious design flaws.  Until one uses a library on 
> large projects with many people for a some reasonable period of time, 
> claims of excellence, esp from the library vendor, are premature.

It would be interesting to know what (except for GUI-stuff) people are
missing in OCaml or other FPLs. I just haven't used Java often enough
to know details about its libraries.

- Markus Mottl

-- 
Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl



  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-04 13:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-02 16:07 Markus Mottl
2001-01-02 18:16 ` Mattias Waldau
2001-01-02 19:30   ` Markus Mottl
2001-01-03 12:15     ` Alain Frisch
2001-01-04  8:37       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2001-01-04  9:04         ` Alain Frisch
2001-01-03 13:23     ` Mattias Waldau
2001-01-03 14:25       ` Markus Mottl
2001-01-03 14:40       ` STARYNKEVITCH Basile
2001-01-03 15:51     ` John Max Skaller
2001-01-03 17:50       ` Markus Mottl
2001-01-05  0:30         ` Michael Hicks
2001-01-08  9:59           ` Xavier Leroy
2001-01-09  6:40         ` John Max Skaller
2001-01-03 17:49     ` Joseph R. Kiniry
2001-01-03 18:19       ` Markus Mottl [this message]
2001-01-03 18:38         ` Joseph R. Kiniry
2001-01-03 18:58           ` Markus Mottl
2001-01-03 19:06             ` Joseph R. Kiniry
2001-01-04 22:32               ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-01-07  0:16                 ` Chris Hecker
2001-01-05 12:52               ` Sven LUTHER
2001-01-05 20:08                 ` Joseph R. Kiniry
2001-01-09  7:14             ` John Max Skaller
2001-01-09  6:50         ` John Max Skaller
2001-01-05 12:39   ` Sven LUTHER
2001-01-05  5:48 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2001-01-03 15:24 Jerry Jackson
2001-01-04 14:12 ` Alan Schmitt
2001-01-09 17:09 Dave Berry
2001-01-11  6:38 ` John Max Skaller
2001-01-09 17:18 Dave Berry
2001-01-11  7:00 ` John Max Skaller
2001-01-11 10:01   ` Alain Frisch
2001-01-12  7:55     ` John Max Skaller
2001-01-11 12:45 Dave Berry
2001-01-12  8:23 ` John Max Skaller

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