From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA02782; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:27:57 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02778 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:27:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36FRq511651; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:27:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from xleroy@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA02774; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:27:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:27:52 +0200 From: Xavier Leroy To: Gerd Stolpmann Cc: Chris Hecker , caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: javacaml Message-ID: <20010406172752.C1347@pauillac.inria.fr> References: <200103292240.OAA22134@smtp5-cm.mail.eni.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010403142051.032a0a70@shell16.ba.best.com> <01040500354406.00489@ice> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <01040500354406.00489@ice>; from gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:10:28PM +0200 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk > Don't misunderstand me: mlj is excellent work if you take it > academically, but the authors argue that it is also usable for > practical purposes, and this is the reason why I am amuzed. The > better conclusion from the facts in the mlj paper is that it is not > practicable to compile ML to Java bytecode. I agree with your conclusions, however you're perhaps slightly too harsh with MLj: for developing applet-sized programs, for instance, the limitations of MLj (whole-program compilation, size limitations) are acceptable. > - Why isn't there an O'Caml plugin for Mozilla? In many environments, you do > not need a sandbox, e.g. within intranets, and code signing suffices. François Rouaix hacked together a Caml plugin for Netscape a few years ago. It sort of worked (under Unix and with Caml actually running in a different process and communicating over a pipe), but he sort of lost interest in it. I have doubts on the cleanliness and stability of the Netscape plugin API :-) Also, the same technical tricks might not work under Windows... At any rate, I believe Web applets are a totally uninteresting application area. Most Web designers seem happy with JavaScript hacks, and in many years of intense Web surfing, I came across an interesting Java applet only once (Certicom's excellent tutorial on elliptic curve cryptography). > - Why isn't there a version of the bytecode interpreter that can dynamically > load libraries? (I know that there is a patch, but nothing > official.) Because I'm lazy. And it's a somehow more subtle change than you think. (The patch you mention misses a number of issues.) - Xavier Leroy ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr. Archives: http://caml.inria.fr