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From: fare@quatramaran.ens.fr (François-René Rideau)
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Future of labels, and ideas for library labelling
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:06:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200104100906.LAA09565@quatramaran.ens.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010410123756H.garrigue@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp>

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>: Jacques Garrigue

> To summarize recent posts by various people, there are two approaches
> for a universal mode:

You left without discussion the approach suggested by Arturo Borquez,
which is quite distinct from that by Chris Hecker:

"An unlabeled argument should be labeled with the first available label
in the declared type of the function being called."

(together with "every function argument declared without label is
given an implicit unique label sui generis"?)

Potential benefits:
* drop-in compatibility with both classic and label mode,
 for those who use consistently use either style.
* allows for continuous change between both styles, depending on what
 one prefers for the function being written.
* works well with fold and higher-order functions and currification.

Potential Problems:
* the order of the labels in the type matters, whereas it didn't,
 which implies compiler changes. I suppose the compiler must currently
 somehow handle order anyway, since even with a possible early canonical
 ordering of labels, you must handle functions that declare a varying
 subset of labels in the global pool.
* it may break either the equivalence between (f x) and (f ~1:x), or the way
 numerical labels do not commute with other labels.
* type declarations that change the order of labels now have some specialness
 in that they modify the meaning of positional parameters. This might be
 something some people would strongly dislike. Or maybe not.
* type inference is made more complex, because of the interaction between
 labelled and unlabelled arguments.

I admit I certainly don't have clear enough an idea of the problems to
judge how doable it is, but if this proposal is doable, it seems to me
that the benefits might be worth it, since it unifies classic and label modes.
In all cases, I'd like to hear about what you think of such proposal,
particularly so if you dismiss it. Let the fact that it was used in some
ancient macroassemblers not make you scorn it.

(I already tried to draw your attention to this approach in the same previous
message when I suggested that a classic mode stdlib could be obtained from
a labelled mode one by writing a camlp4 metaprogram that strips labels and
dumps a wrapper library).

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-11 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-31  3:40 [Caml-list] Future of labels Yaron M. Minsky
2001-04-02  3:39 ` [Caml-list] Future of labels, and ideas for library labelling Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-02  7:58   ` Judicael Courant
2001-04-02  8:50     ` Markus Mottl
2001-04-02 10:33     ` kahl
2001-04-03  0:35       ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-03  1:36         ` Kipton M Barros
2001-04-03  1:52         ` Patrick M Doane
2001-04-03  3:53           ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-03  5:10             ` Patrick M Doane
2001-04-03  9:30               ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-03  8:52             ` Xavier Leroy
2001-04-03  9:34               ` Judicael Courant
2001-04-03  9:54               ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-03 12:59                 ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2001-04-03 13:11                   ` [Caml-list] ocaml, java, rmi and jini Martin Berger
2001-04-03 19:23                     ` Chris Hecker
2001-04-03 20:50                       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2001-04-06  9:40                         ` Sven LUTHER
2001-04-06 20:57                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2001-04-03 21:06                       ` martinb
2001-04-06 15:03                     ` Xavier Leroy
2001-04-03 14:06                   ` [Caml-list] Future of labels, and ideas for library labelling Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-03 14:12                     ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2001-04-03 14:42                       ` Claude Marche
2001-04-04 19:18                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2001-04-03  9:55               ` Ohad Rodeh
2001-04-03 18:06                 ` [Caml-list] Example of Ocaml-syntax problem with ; Mattias Waldau
2001-04-04 15:15                 ` [Caml-list] Suspending threads Ohad Rodeh
2001-04-04 17:28                   ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2001-04-06 13:21                   ` Xavier Leroy
2001-04-03 12:02               ` [Caml-list] Future of labels, and ideas for library labelling Dave Mason
2001-04-03 13:43               ` Francois-Rene Rideau
2001-04-03 14:23                 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2001-04-03 13:43               ` Frank Atanassow
2001-04-03 13:58               ` Joshua D. Guttman
2001-04-03 16:52               ` Eric C. Cooper
2001-04-09  9:05                 ` John Max Skaller
2001-04-09  7:29             ` John Max Skaller
2001-04-03  8:07         ` Judicael Courant
2001-04-03  6:55     ` Chris Hecker
2001-04-03 18:13       ` [Caml-list] Generics? Brian Rogoff
2001-04-03 20:12         ` Chris Hecker
2001-04-10 16:48           ` John Max Skaller
2001-04-09  8:11       ` [Caml-list] Future of labels, and ideas for library labelling John Max Skaller
2001-04-09  9:21         ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-09 15:06           ` Fergus Henderson
2001-04-10 18:49           ` John Max Skaller
2001-04-09 19:54         ` Chris Hecker
2001-04-10  3:37           ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-10  7:42             ` Judicael Courant
2001-04-10  8:25               ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-10  8:46               ` Claude Marche
2001-04-10 10:09                 ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-10 14:42                   ` Lionnel Maugis
2001-04-10  9:06             ` François-René Rideau [this message]
2001-04-11 15:34               ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-11 17:48                 ` Dave Mason
2001-04-12 12:39                 ` [Caml-list] How do I define prog1? Mattias Waldau
2001-04-12 14:22                   ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2001-04-12 17:53                     ` William Chesters
2001-04-12 15:15                   ` Sven LUTHER
2001-04-12 16:14                     ` Mattias Waldau
2001-04-12 15:21                   ` Maxence Guesdon
2001-04-12 15:47                   ` Stefan Monnier
2001-04-17 20:04                     ` Chris Hecker
2001-04-10 22:43             ` [Caml-list] Future of labels, and ideas for library labelling Brian Rogoff
2001-04-11  8:29               ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-11  9:44                 ` Anton Moscal
2001-04-11 13:16                 ` Didier Remy
2001-04-11 15:11                   ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-04-03  7:27 Arturo Borquez
2001-04-03 16:39 John R Harrison
2001-04-04 16:37 Dave Berry
2001-04-11 10:48 Francois-Rene Rideau
2001-04-17 11:53 Poigné

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