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From: Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>
To: Jan Skibinski <jans@numeric-quest.com>
Cc: Jonathan Coupe <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml related article
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:12:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010423101220.B517@pauillac.inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104220745180.28550-100000@info.numeric-quest.com>; from jans@numeric-quest.com on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 08:12:34AM -0400

> 	His conclusion though is that it is practically impossible
> 	to introduce any kind of static typing to Perl.

Dominus' claim is that if it could be done, it would still be largely
useless: since Perl has so many context-dependent automatic coercions,
nearly all programs would be correct, and the type system wouldn't
help much finding programming errors.

Actually, I believe one could do a soft typing system for Perl along
the lines of Mr. Spidey for Scheme
(http://www.cs.rice.edu/CS/PLT/packages/mrspidey/), using
constraint-based flow analysis.  Of course, uses of "eval" would not
be checked at all.  But Dominus' point that it would be largely
useless is probably true.

>       Contrast it
> 	with http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~lex/ti/ti.html
> 	where Lex Spoon attempts to deliver a type inference engine to
> 	Smalltalk (sic!).

Why not?  Constraint-based flow analysis can be applied to Smalltalk
(at least without the reflection features -- if you change the
behavior of method invocation, all bets are off), and since Smalltalk
has cleaner, more restrictive dynamic semantics than Perl, it could
actually be useful in finding errors.

- Xavier Leroy
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-23  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-22 13:55 Jonathan Coupe
2001-04-22 12:12 ` Jan Skibinski
2001-04-23  8:12   ` Xavier Leroy [this message]
2001-04-23  5:13     ` Jan Skibinski

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