From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id AAA05876; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:22:20 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05973 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:22:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from web11901.mail.yahoo.com (web11901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.185]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f51MMG127069 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:22:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <20010601222216.82902.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.221.171.193] by web11901.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:22:16 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom _ Subject: Re: [Caml-list] SISAL (Was: report describing optimization of numerical computing...) To: Florian Hars , caml-list@inria.fr In-Reply-To: <20010601083356.A7669@hars> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk SISAL was is experiment in language design. To replace something like Fortran, you need a bit more resources than a project at a government lab. The SISAL project didn't have the resources to create the libraries and tools necessary to replace Fortran, and that was clear to everybody. It took more than 20 years to come out with Fortran90, and even it hasn't replaced Fortran77 a decade later. Many other excellent projects at government labs have languished for lack of funding. The ideas that went into the language should be judged on their own. Tom. PS: I was not associated with the SISAL project other than as an occaional user of their software. --- Florian Hars wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 09:10:24PM -0700, Tom _ > wrote: > > I'd recommend also taking a look at SISAL > > (http://www.llnl.gov/sisal/). > > I think SISAL is *the* premiere example of why > scientific computing > is still avoiding modern languages and favors > FORTRAN instead: > > | While trying to retrieve the URL: > | > http://redhook.llnl.gov/iscr/projects/crg/sisal.tutorial/ > | > | The following error was encountered: > | Unable to determine IP address from host name for > redhook.llnl.gov > > | While trying to retrieve the URL: > | > ftp://sisal.llnl.gov/pub/sisal/Small.Sisal.Interpreter.dir > | > | The following error was encountered: > | Unable to determine IP address from host name for > sisal.llnl.gov > > It was a one shot project with no long term > perspective, even the > code is gone and none of the official distribution > sites do exist > any more. The lifetime of the language didn't even > span the > lifetime of a typical high energy physics > experiment. A physicist who > had bet his professional success on SISAL would be > turning burgers > at McDonalds by now. > > Yours, Florian Hars. > ------------------- > To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr. > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr. Archives: http://caml.inria.fr