From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA17076; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:08:26 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17041 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:08:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from www.invert.com (invert.com [209.164.21.15]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OI8Nb18097 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:08:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from miles@localhost) by www.invert.com (8.10.1/8.10.1AA) id f6OI8H235550 for caml-list@inria.fr; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from miles) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:08:17 -0700 From: Miles Egan To: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: [Caml-list] a reckless proposal Message-ID: <20010724110817.A35216@caddr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk It seems that two of the things that most confuse or frustrate new users of ocaml are records and objects. Records are confusing because they resemble C structs and are used in similar ways, but are really quite different. Objects are confusing because their use is mildly discouraged and because their functionality significantly overlaps that of the module system. The most frustrating feature of records, of course, is that each record field name must be globally unique. Objects seem to provide more struct-like semantics, i.e. field names need only be unique within their class definition. Using objects in place of records is a bit clumsy, however, because object fields require accessors. If the rules for object field access were changed, however, objects would be just as convenient as records and less confusing and more comfortable to C/C++/Java/Python programmers. For example, if object fields were directly accessible by default, one could use: class point = object val x = 0 val y = 0 end and access p.x and p.y directly, which would be in almost all ways preferrable to using a record type which would make it impossible to define another type with fields named x or y. Alternatively, ocaml could offer ruby-style accessor macros, where a definition like: class example = object attr_rw x = 0 attr_r y = 0 attr z = 0 end would automatically generate get_x and set_x methods for x, a get_y method for y, and no methods for z. I suppose you could implement this in camlp4, but I think features like this would have to be included in core ocaml before they'd really be used. Records could even be deprecated if this were implemented. This approach has, in my mind, two advantages: 1. The object system becomes more generally useful. 2. A confusing and non-orthogonal feature of ocaml is subsumed into another, more generally useful and flexible feature. -- miles "We in the past evade X, where X is something which we believe to be a lion, through the act of running." - swiftrain@geocities.com ------------------- Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr