[Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Johann Spies]

 am trying to figure out how to use Ocamlmakefile to compile
 lablgtk programs.

 With the following Makefile:

 --------------------------------------------------------
 OCAMLMAKEFILE=/usr/share/ocaml-tools/OcamlMakefile
 SOURCES=calc.ml
 RESULT=calc
 LIBS=lablgtk gtkInit
 INCDIRS=+lablgtk
 OCAMLFLAGS=-labels
 include $(OCAMLMAKEFILE)
 ----------------------------------------------------------

 I get :
 ----------------------------------------------------------
 js-19:07:58-/tmp$make
 make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp'
 ocamlc  -I +lablgtk        lablgtk.cma gtkInit.cma     -o calc \
                         calc.cmo
Cannot find file gtkInit.cma
make[1]: *** [calc] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp'
make: *** [byte-code] Error 2

js-19:07:59-/tmp$make nc
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp'
ocamlopt   -I +lablgtk
lablgtk.cmxa gtkInit.cmxa     -o calc \
                        calc.cmx
Cannot find file gtkInit.cmxa
make[1]: *** [calc] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp'
make: *** [native-code]
Error 2
-----------------------------------------------------------
How do I inform the compiler through Ocamlmakefile to use options
gtkInit.cmx as in 

ocamlopt -I +lablgtk -labels -o testgtk.opt lablgtk.cmxa gtkInit.cmx
testgtk.ml ?

Regards.
Johann
			 
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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Markus Mottl]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Johann Spies wrote:
>  --------------------------------------------------------
>  OCAMLMAKEFILE=/usr/share/ocaml-tools/OcamlMakefile
>  SOURCES=calc.ml
>  RESULT=calc
>  LIBS=lablgtk gtkInit
>  INCDIRS=+lablgtk
>  OCAMLFLAGS=-labels
>  include $(OCAMLMAKEFILE)
>  ----------------------------------------------------------
[snip]
> How do I inform the compiler through Ocamlmakefile to use options
> gtkInit.cmx as in 

I assume the problem is that you haven't specified where to find
libraries. Note that INCDIRS is only for interface files (.cmi), whereas
LIBDIRS is necessary if there are libraries in the directory against
which you want to link. Therefore, add this line:

  LIBDIRS=+lablgtk

Hope that helps!

Regards,
Markus Mottl

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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Johann Spies]

On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 06:59:39PM +0100, Markus Mottl wrote:
> > gtkInit.cmx as in 
> 
> I assume the problem is that you haven't specified where to find
> libraries. Note that INCDIRS is only for interface files (.cmi), whereas
> LIBDIRS is necessary if there are libraries in the directory against
> which you want to link. Therefore, add this line:
> 
>   LIBDIRS=+lablgtk

Thanks for the suggestion.  I have added this line, but it makes
no difference:
js-23:25:58-~/ocaml/lablgtk$make nc
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/js/ocaml/lablgtk'
ocamlopt -c  -labels -w s  -I +lablgtk   calc.ml
ocamlopt   -I +lablgtk      -ccopt -L+lablgtk  lablgtk.cmxa
unix.cmxa gtkInit.cmxa     -o calc \
                        calc.cmx
Cannot find file gtkInit.cmxa
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^   
The problem is that it should use gtkInit.cmx.  There is no
gtkInit.cmxa (at least in thei Debian distribution). 

After your message I went back and read the documentation on the
compiler again.  I then tried to put
/usr/lib/ocaml/lablgtk/gtkInit.cmx on the SOURCES line and it
worked in some cases, but I suspect it is not the correct way to
do it.  I did not previously understand the difference between
.cmx and .cmxa files.  It becomes clearer now.

However the problem is not solved yet.

The following Makefile compiles (make nc) without complaints:


OCAMLMAKEFILE=/usr/share/ocaml-tools/OcamlMakefile
SOURCES=testgtk.ml /usr/lib/ocam/lablgtk/gtkInit.cmx
RESULT=testgtk
LIBS=lablgtk 
INCDIRS=+lablgtk
LIBDIRS=+lablgtk
OCAMLFLAGS=-labels -w s
include $(OCAMLMAKEFILE)

As I understand it, it should be the equivalent of 

ocamlopt.opt -w s -I +lablgtk -labels -o testgtk\
 lablgtk.cmxa gtkInit.cmx testgtk.ml

 But the latter produces a binary which runs without a problem
 and the first (make nc) produces a binary of a different size
 with a lot of error messages.

Johann.
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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Markus Mottl]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Johann Spies wrote:
> Cannot find file gtkInit.cmxa
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^   
> The problem is that it should use gtkInit.cmx.  There is no
> gtkInit.cmxa (at least in thei Debian distribution). 

Ok, I see, I thought that we were talking about a library. Try the
following instead:

  OCAMLNLDFLAGS := gtkInit.cmx
  OCAMLBLDFLAGS := gtkInit.cmo

It would certainly be better to have a true library file in the
distribution rather than the "naked" compiled module file.

> I did not previously understand the difference between .cmx and
> .cmxa files.  It becomes clearer now.

.cmx-files are (natively) compiled implementations of OCaml-modules,
.cmxa-files combine several such implementations, i.e. they are library
files.

Regards,
Markus Mottl

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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Florian Hars]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 12:40:47AM +0100, Markus Mottl wrote:
> It would certainly be better to have a true library file in the
> distribution rather than the "naked" compiled module file.

lablgtk comes as a library file, the problem is that every program that
uses the library must properly initialize it before it can use it.
gtkInit does just this:

(* $Id: gtkInit.ml,v 1.2 2000/03/02 08:13:15 garrigue Exp $ *)

(* Does the initialization for toplevels *)

let locale = GtkMain.Main.init ()

And that's all it does. You could do away with this file by calling
GtkMain.Main,init () in your own application.

Yours, Florian.
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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Markus Mottl]

Florian Hars schrieb am Dienstag, den 13. November 2001:
> lablgtk comes as a library file, the problem is that every program that
> uses the library must properly initialize it before it can use it.
> gtkInit does just this:
[snip]

But why not just link the module in the right order with the rest of
the library? Then things will be initialized as required. Or are there
circumstances where you don't want initialization?

Regards,
Markus Mottl

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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Johann Spies]

Thanks Florian and Markus.

You have helped me a lot.

Regards.

Johann.
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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Jacques Garrigue]

From: Markus Mottl <markus@oefai.at>
> Florian Hars schrieb am Dienstag, den 13. November 2001:
> > lablgtk comes as a library file, the problem is that every program that
> > uses the library must properly initialize it before it can use it.
> > gtkInit does just this:
> [snip]
> 
> But why not just link the module in the right order with the rest of
> the library? Then things will be initialized as required. Or are there
> circumstances where you don't want initialization?

This is exactly the reason.
Take for instance Unison. It is linked with lablgtk, but does not want
to initialize GTK+ when used in text mode. This is very important,
otherwise you would need an X-server running everytime you start
Unison.

While Unison was the original reason, I think it is indeed good
practice to initialize by hand, without linking gtkInit.cmo.  Then you
know explicitely what is called and when. This avoids difficulties
with debugging. Note also that in a real application there are things
you want to do immediately after the initialization (or even before),
and this is hard to do if you don't know where it occurs. On the other
hand, if you forget to initialize, you will get a few dozen warnings,
so this should not be too difficult to detect.

So the rule of the thumb is: use gtkInit.cmo if you are developping
with the toplevel and all your program is included in one file, but
switch to explicit initialization as soon as it gets bigger. This way,
OCamlMakefile should not be a problem :-)

Jacques Garrigue
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Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlmakefile and Lablgtk

[Markus Mottl]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Jacques Garrigue wrote:
> From: Markus Mottl <markus@oefai.at>
> > But why not just link the module in the right order with the rest of
> > the library? Then things will be initialized as required. Or are there
> > circumstances where you don't want initialization?
> 
> This is exactly the reason.
> Take for instance Unison. It is linked with lablgtk, but does not want
> to initialize GTK+ when used in text mode. This is very important,
> otherwise you would need an X-server running everytime you start
> Unison.

Ok, I see, I didn't know what kind of initializations have to be
performed.

> While Unison was the original reason, I think it is indeed good
> practice to initialize by hand, without linking gtkInit.cmo.

I agree.

> So the rule of the thumb is: use gtkInit.cmo if you are developping
> with the toplevel and all your program is included in one file, but
> switch to explicit initialization as soon as it gets bigger. This way,
> OCamlMakefile should not be a problem :-)

OCamlMakefile respects the order of files as defined by the user to
exactly avoid this problem of initialization order in the presence of
side effects. So blaming OCamlMakefile for wrong linking order is not
an excuse :-)

Regards,
Markus Mottl

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