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From: Markus Mottl <markus@oefai.at>
To: Daniel de Rauglaudre <daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs]
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:38:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020516213841.GA4921@fichte.ai.univie.ac.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020516214412.K2924@verdot.inria.fr>

On Thu, 16 May 2002, Daniel de Rauglaudre wrote:
> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:39:45PM -0400, John Prevost wrote:
> > Really?  Why did someone decide that inclusion was a bad idea?
> I say it. Camlp4 and the attempts to improve the syntax have been
> considered *officially* by the OCaml team as a "not serious" work
> and a "loss of time". As I worried about that, and asked for more
> information, it has been confirmed by the team, moreover with several
> personnal attacks.

Sigh. I also don't want to mess with social issues at INRIA, but find
it strange indeed that this is the official line. The only reason
so far why I didn't use camlp4 too often in the past was _because_ it
obviously didn't get enough official support. Its addition to the standard
distribution seemed like a good idea to me. I consider it a very useful
tool for a language that is still a somewhat moving target and which may
require syntax changes in the future. Those could be done with much less
hassle given a powerful tool. Not to mention extensions needed by users.

The syntax question has already been raised here several times so I
don't want to do it again. Suffice it to say that OCaml _has_ syntactic
problems about which beginners stumble frequently as I still remember
from my beginner time and as I can observe with people whom I have just
recently converted. One can get accustomed to and work around those
issues, but this doesn't really make them go away.

Regards,
Markus Mottl

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Markus Mottl                                             markus@oefai.at
Austrian Research Institute
for Artificial Intelligence                  http://www.oefai.at/~markus
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-05-16 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-15  9:13 [Caml-list] Generating C stubs Jérôme Marant
2002-05-15  9:49 ` Jocelyn Sérot
2002-05-15 12:17   ` Jérôme Marant
2002-05-15 12:38     ` Remi VANICAT
2002-05-15 20:19       ` Jérôme Marant
2002-05-16  7:06     ` Florian Hars
2002-05-16  7:34       ` Markus Mottl
2002-05-16 19:13         ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-16 19:27           ` Chris Hecker
2002-05-16 19:39           ` John Prevost
2002-05-16 19:44             ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-16 20:28               ` Chris Hecker
2002-05-16 21:38               ` Markus Mottl [this message]
2002-05-17  0:31                 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-05-17 14:32                   ` Pierre Weis
2002-05-17 15:31                     ` Markus Mottl
2002-05-17 21:18                       ` Pierre Weis
2002-05-17 21:37                         ` Dave Mason
2002-05-18  9:46                           ` Pierre Weis
2002-05-21 17:51                             ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-05-19 11:31                         ` Markus Mottl
2002-05-21 17:10                           ` james woodyatt
2002-05-20  1:18                         ` [Caml-list] Tail recursion detection John Max Skaller
2002-05-21  7:46                           ` Alain Frisch
2002-05-21 11:35                             ` Benedikt Grundmann
2002-05-21 15:12                             ` John Max Skaller
2002-05-22 12:44                               ` Noel Welsh
2002-05-22 16:47                                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-05-21  8:57                           ` Noel Welsh
2002-05-20 22:59                     ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Alessandro Baretta
2002-05-16 23:22               ` [Caml-list] Re: Camlp4/OCaml Christopher Quinn
2002-05-17  7:02                 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
     [not found]               ` <Pine.BSF.4.40.0205170357340.11758-100000@bpr.best.vwh.net>
2002-05-17  7:09                 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-17  7:54               ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml Michel Mauny
2002-05-17  8:05                 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-16 14:09 ` [Caml-list] Generating C stubs Benedikt Grundmann
2002-05-16 16:37 ` Jeff Henrikson
2002-05-16 16:31   ` Benedikt Grundmann
2002-05-17  5:59     ` Jeff Henrikson
2002-05-16 23:22 [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Joshua D. Guttman

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