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From: Lauri Alanko <la@iki.fi>
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: [Caml-list] Why systhreads?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:08:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021123090806.GA633@la.iki.fi> (raw)

Hello.

A simple, fundamental question: why is native-code threading done using
system threads? Why isn't pure user-level scheduling used as with
bytecode?

It seems that all the time incompatibilities and deficiencies in Win32
threads and pthreads cause no end of trouble, for instance they fail to
support the asynchronous exceptions which I yearned for.

Since there is a single heap and threads are run in a strictly
serialized order, system threads don't even give any support for
parallelism. So user-level threading seems like the sensible option. For
instance, the GHC Haskell compiler uses pure user-level threading both
in native code and when interpreted, and it works pretty well. (All
right, there's now talk of adding systhread support, but only for
foreign interface issues.)

I cannot believe that supporting many different system thread interfaces
is easier than managing native-code stacks manually. So could someone
please clarify what the motivation here is?

Thanks.


Lauri Alanko
la@iki.fi
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             reply	other threads:[~2002-11-23 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-23  9:08 Lauri Alanko [this message]
2002-11-24  7:36 ` Sven Luther
2002-11-24 17:41   ` Chris Hecker
2002-11-24 18:12     ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2002-11-24 21:10       ` Christopher Quinn
2002-11-24 17:14 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2002-11-24 17:18   ` Lauri Alanko
2002-11-24 18:27   ` Dmitry Bely
2002-11-24 23:14     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2002-11-27 14:33       ` Tim Freeman
2002-11-29 13:25         ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2002-11-25 10:01 ` Xavier Leroy
2002-11-25 14:20   ` Markus Mottl
2002-11-25 19:01   ` Blair Zajac
2002-11-25 21:06     ` james woodyatt
2002-11-25 22:20       ` Chris Hecker
2002-11-26  6:49         ` Sven Luther
2002-11-27 13:12         ` Damien Doligez
2002-11-27 18:04           ` Chris Hecker
2002-11-27 21:04             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2002-11-27 21:45               ` [Caml-list] Calling ocaml from external threads Quetzalcoatl Bradley
2002-11-26  9:02     ` [Caml-list] Why systhreads? Xavier Leroy
2002-11-26  9:29       ` Sven Luther
2002-11-26  9:34         ` Xavier Leroy
2002-11-26  9:39           ` Sven Luther
2002-11-26 18:42       ` Chris Hecker
2002-11-26 19:04   ` Dave Berry
2002-11-27  0:07   ` Lauri Alanko
2002-11-26 19:23 Gregory Morrisett

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