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From: Chet Murthy <chet@watson.ibm.com>
To: Xavier Leroy <xavier.leroy@inria.fr>
Cc: onlyclimb <onlyclimb@163.com>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] speed
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:52:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200301021752.h02HqPXh005051@nautilus-chet.watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:32:21 +0100." <20030103143221.B29601@pauillac.inria.fr>


Not to contradict Xavier, because in essence, he is right -- Caml is
indeed far faster than Java on any realistic applications in almost
any area I have ever bothered to try -- but the story as to Java is
actually rather complicated.

(1) different JDKs exhibit remarkably different results on real-world
examples, as their implementors have different backgrounds.  I
remember that the first JITs all did great on integer and
floating-point loops, and that was _it_ -- the rest of the time, they
were often slower than just a hack like inlining interpreter
code-segments.  This is just a human thing.

(2) different JDKs from different manufacturers exhibit different
behaviours.  E.g., I find that the Sunsoft JDKs on Solaris are a lot
faster than the Javasoft JDKs on Solaris.  I also find (no, I'm not
shilling for IBM) that IBM's JDK on Linux is a lot faster than
Javasoft's.  There are, again, social issues involved here, which I am
not sure I am at liberty to discuss.

That said, by and large I find that when you don't go near issues of
allocation and interprocedural optimization, Java is and can be as
fast as Caml.  *However*, when you _do_ go near those things, e.g. if
you do anything I/O or string-processing-intensive, well,

  go get a rocking chair, 'cos you're gonna have a looong wait.

--chet--

P.S. Or get thee to a caml and get it done.  *grin*
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-03 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-03 16:00 onlyclimb
2003-01-03 11:38 ` [Caml-list] speed Clemens Hintze
2003-01-03 11:47 ` [Caml-list] speed Noel Welsh
2003-01-02 16:45   ` Chet Murthy
2003-01-03 13:32 ` Xavier Leroy
2003-01-02 17:52   ` Chet Murthy [this message]
2003-01-03 14:53     ` Sven Luther
2003-01-03 15:28       ` Erol Akarsu
2003-01-02 17:53   ` Coyote Gulch test in Caml (was Re: [Caml-list] speed ) Chet Murthy
2003-01-03 15:10     ` Shawn Wagner
2003-01-03 15:56       ` Oleg
2003-01-04 18:31       ` Xavier Leroy
2003-01-18 22:49         ` Oleg
2003-01-18 23:50           ` Shawn Wagner
2003-01-20 21:23             ` David Chase
2003-01-20 21:39               ` Nickolay Semyonov-Kolchin
2003-01-21  0:54                 ` Brian Hurt
2003-01-21 13:09                 ` David Chase
2003-01-21 13:15                   ` Daniel Andor
2003-01-21 20:26                   ` Nickolay Semyonov-Kolchin
2003-01-19 10:33           ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-01-19 10:34           ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-01-21  9:56           ` [Caml-list] Re: Coyote Gulch test in Caml Xavier Leroy
2003-01-21 15:57             ` Brian Hurt
2003-01-27 16:58             ` Daniel Andor
2003-01-28  8:27               ` Christian Lindig
2003-01-05  1:13   ` [Caml-list] speed Brian Hurt
2003-01-05  1:48     ` Michael Vanier
2003-01-07 16:03 isaac gouy

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