From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id AAA02375; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:13:56 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02395 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:13:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.65.60]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h2CNDsX10238 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:13:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 29262 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2003 23:13:54 -0000 Received: from pD9505977.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO phaeton.entropie.net) (217.80.89.119) by mail.gmx.net (mp006-rz3) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2003 23:13:54 -0000 Received: (from phaeton@localhost) by phaeton.entropie.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CNDq603244; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:13:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:13:52 +0100 From: Martin Weber To: Michael Schuerig Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Message-ID: <20030312231352.GC372@phaeton.entropie.net> References: <200303122334.34982.schuerig@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303122334.34982.schuerig@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam: no; 0.00; weber:99 caml-list:01 gui:01 screens:99 guis:01 facto:01 bug:01 patched:01 application':01 opensource:01 stumbling:01 ocaml:01 inherit:01 toplevel:01 typing:03 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:34:34PM +0100, Michael Schuerig wrote: > (...) > Is software development in industry only about GUI screens, web pages > and database access? Well, from my own experience, I fear the answer is > mostly yes. I'm working next to asic designers, and they give a shit about the web, database access and guis :) They want scriptability and a clean programming interface instead ... (and yeah, they appreciate good guis). On the other hand, they are electrical engineers, so I guess they are not too keen on learning yet another language - most proprietary tools they use offer tcl as the scripting language, so that's a de facto standard - and they're not interested in typing(1) around either ... as soon as it works it's fine :) (see pentium bug - it's still there... but patched:-)) > That being as it is, would things in industry be that much > better if OCaml had everything it takes for writing enterprise > applications? > (...) I don't know what usually classifies as 'enterprise application' but I think what I'm doing is one - application(s) written solely for the use within the producing corner - no end user will ever see it (except if we release the stuff as opensource, but that's still being debated :). That said, in *my* environment I don't think (oca)ml really has any chance against tcl and/or perl, just because those two (or especially tcl) are so simple. And I don't think that it can be the intention of ocaml to get that simple as is tcl... On the other hand, *I* could write the application in Ocaml, plugging in both C extensions and (on that way, too) a tcl interpreter while enabling an ocaml toplevel for the savvy.... hmmm.... but you know.. inherit a ton of C code.. regards, -martin (taking another couple of notes for the 2.0) (1) not as in inputting text into the computer, but stumbling over beginner errors like my beloved +. :) ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners