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From: Ville-Pertti Keinonen <will@exomi.com>
To: skaller <skaller@ozemail.com.au>
Cc: Dustin Sallings <dustin@spy.net>,
	Damien Doligez <damien.doligez@inria.fr>,
	Caml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:56:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031115155617.GA592@exomi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1068905767.25869.130.camel@pelican>

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:16:08AM +1100, skaller wrote:

> It is possible to modify the Ocaml collector to make finalisation
> orderly, but it is very expensive. It is also possible

Not just expensive, more like something you definitely don't want to
even try.  Python tries to have deterministic finalization, but
falls back on "normal" garbage collection for containers (with potential
cyclic references).  Perl doesn't even bother with that, instead it
doesn't resolve cyclic references at all.

Typically, the best you can do is explicit finalization; which can be
convenient using something similar to Lisp with-open-file constructs,
possibly with alternate interfaces and finalization on GC as a fallback
for poorly structured programs.

For more complicated cases with multiple references, what you probably
want is an explicit liveness count (separate from the GC/memory
references).  The liveness count can likewise be protected by something
similar to unwind-protect blocks.

Considering that OCaml doesn't have capturable continuations, things
are relatively simple.

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-15 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-13  0:50 Dustin Sallings
2003-11-13  1:18 ` David Fox
2003-11-13  4:09   ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-14 13:42     ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-14 14:57       ` Christophe Raffalli
2003-11-14 20:24         ` Dmitry Bely
2003-11-14 20:54           ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-14 22:21             ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-14 21:36               ` John J Lee
2003-11-14 21:48           ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-15  1:47             ` Dmitry Bely
2003-11-15  2:25           ` Max Kirillov
2003-11-15  2:49             ` Mike Furr
2003-11-16  4:09               ` [Caml-list] Bugs from ignoring errors from close (was Re: GC and file..) Tim Freeman
2003-11-15  2:58             ` [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors David Brown
2003-11-17 14:19         ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-17 18:18           ` skaller
2003-11-14 18:35       ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-15 14:16         ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:56           ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen [this message]
2003-11-15 17:30             ` skaller
2003-11-15 20:31               ` Martin Berger
2003-11-16 19:19               ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-17 18:15                 ` skaller
2003-11-17 19:26                   ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-18 13:49                     ` skaller
2003-11-18 17:51                       ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-18 20:17                       ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-20  7:36                         ` Florian Hars
2003-11-17 21:20                   ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-17 23:02                     ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 12:05                     ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-18 15:19                       ` skaller
2003-11-18 18:10                         ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 17:55                           ` skaller
2003-11-18 20:02                         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-18 21:20                           ` John J Lee
2003-11-19 12:25                           ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:55                             ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-19 14:26                               ` Samuel Lacas
2003-11-19 14:47                               ` skaller
2003-11-18 15:28                       ` skaller
2003-11-18 18:00                       ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 22:28                       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-18 23:07                         ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 23:22                         ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19  1:49                         ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  3:57                           ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-19 13:35                           ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:00                         ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:02                         ` skaller
2003-11-19 17:36                           ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-20  5:14                             ` skaller
2003-11-20  7:37                               ` David Brown
2003-11-18 15:12                     ` skaller
2003-11-18 16:49                       ` Martin Berger
2003-11-18 17:46                         ` skaller
2003-11-19  1:33                           ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  3:19                             ` Design by Contract, was " Brian Hurt
2003-11-19  2:57                               ` Jacques Carette
2003-11-19 13:27                             ` skaller
2003-11-19 14:41                               ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 16:54                             ` Richard Jones
2003-11-19 17:18                               ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-19 21:45                                 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-19 23:09                                   ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-20  0:50                                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-20  9:42                                       ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19 18:03                               ` Martin Berger
2003-11-18 18:26                         ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-18 19:24                           ` Xavier Leroy
2003-11-18 23:49                             ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19  1:36                             ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  2:28                               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-19  3:26                               ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 11:44                                 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 17:29                                   ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-20  5:17                                     ` skaller
2003-11-20 16:13                                       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 13:33                               ` skaller
2003-11-19 17:01                                 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-22  2:39                                   ` [Caml-list] AutoMLI (Was: GC and file descriptors) Jim
2003-11-19 17:43                                 ` [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors Brian Hurt
2003-11-20  5:05                                   ` skaller
2003-11-19  1:33                           ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  2:47                             ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-18 22:23                       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 13:00                         ` skaller
2003-11-17 22:37                   ` OCaml popularity [was: Re: [Caml-list] GC and file...] John J Lee
2003-11-18  1:02                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GC and file descriptors Jed Davis
2003-11-13  1:19 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas George
     [not found] ` <87smkstkhg.fsf@igloo.phubuh.org>
     [not found]   ` <347A7A46-1612-11D8-8F93-000393CFE6B8@spy.net>
2003-11-13 20:18     ` Mikael Brockman
     [not found] <20031118232227.GA8437@swordfish>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311182039440.5009-100000@localhost.localdomain>
2003-11-20  6:35   ` Matt Gushee
2003-11-21 16:44     ` skaller
2003-11-21 22:17 Gregory Morrisett

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