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From: Alexander Epifanov <epifanov@komset.ru>
To: Alex Baretta <alex@baretta.com>
Cc: Alexander Epifanov <epifanov@komset.ru>, Ocaml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml killer
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:43:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040127094351.GA16215@inv_machine> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <401627A9.9060901@baretta.com>

On 09:56 Tue 27 Jan     , Alex Baretta wrote:
> Alexander Epifanov wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I have read message about Skala language, and I think (it's only my IMHO),
> >that ocaml have no future without some features, like concurrent 
> >programming
> >(CP) and chance to use libraries from the other languages.
> 
> Thanks for sharing you "humble opinion" with us. Let me share mine with 
> you: my company has chosen Ocaml as it's primary general purpose 
> language and is devoting most of it's R&D efforts towards new 
> development based on/for Ocaml.
> 
> >1) Erlang uses build in CP, but Skala has a library for it, IMHO it would 
> >be a
> >good way for ocaml feature. Thread module isn't enough for effective usage 
> >of
> >CP.
> 
> Ever heard about message passing? Did you ever try running a 
> multithreaded application on a server cluster?
Everybody has server clusters?
> 
> >2) No one would use ocaml without libraries, and it's so hard to rewrite 
> >them
> >all in ocaml. external functions aren't enough to use libraries from 
> >Languages
> >like java or c++.
> 
> No one. Except maybe Xavier et al. in the Cristal group. Except maybe 
> myself and all of my colleagues. Except all of those who subscribe to 
> the mailing list. Except hundreds of researchers and students.
You want to use ocaml for yourself only? Do You need more popularity of
ocaml ? OCaml isn't used a lot for commercial projects.
> 
> How about "No one you know would use Ocaml with Java bindings".  No one +
> I know would use a language with Java bindings for any realistic project.
> 
> >Are any plans about these two features exists ?
> 
> I definitely hope Xavier will not waste his time coding JNI's to use 
> ocaml within Java.
I agree with you, JNI isn't the best solution. But what time do you need to
implement the part of CPAN's libraries for example ? Ocaml is the great
language for the BIG projects. but it hasn't simple libraries for small
projects. Of course, It doesn't need them for "academical" language. 
> 
> Alex

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-27  9:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-27  6:32 Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-27  8:56 ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-27  9:43   ` Alexander Epifanov [this message]
2004-01-27 18:32     ` Shawn Wagner
2004-01-28  4:38       ` skaller
2004-01-28  5:30         ` james woodyatt
     [not found]   ` <40168498.6070708@tfb.com>
2004-01-27 19:10     ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-28 13:29       ` David Fox
2004-01-28 15:12         ` Eray Ozkural
2004-01-27  9:41 ` Alexander Danilov
2004-01-27  9:57   ` Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-27 16:43     ` Eric Stokes
2004-01-27 18:19       ` David Fox
2004-01-27 18:47       ` Richard Jones
2004-01-27 19:29         ` Eric Stokes
2004-01-28 13:30 ` Eray Ozkural
2004-01-28 23:26 ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-28 23:47   ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29  0:00     ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-29  0:04       ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-29  0:11       ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29  0:34         ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-29  0:47           ` [Caml-list] ocaml killer' Matt Gushee
2004-01-29  8:52           ` [Caml-list] ocaml killer Thomas Fischbacher
2004-01-29 16:20             ` fancy types (was Re: [Caml-list] ocaml killer) William Lovas
2004-01-29 17:13               ` james woodyatt
2004-01-29 17:26                 ` Benedikt Grundmann
2004-01-29 17:17               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-01-29 17:41                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-01-29 19:18                   ` William Lovas
2004-01-30 10:36                     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-01-31  3:39                       ` William Lovas
2004-02-01  2:11                         ` Vasile Rotaru
2004-02-02 11:08                           ` Florian Hars
2004-01-29 18:33                 ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-29 17:53         ` [Caml-list] ocaml killer skaller
2004-01-29  5:20     ` Brian Hurt
2004-01-29  6:36   ` Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-29  8:53   ` [Caml-list] ocaml and concurrency james woodyatt
2004-01-29  9:46     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-01-29 10:37       ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29 11:51         ` Michael Hicks
2004-01-29 12:20         ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-29 12:43           ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29 15:42         ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-01-29 16:11           ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29 16:56             ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-01-29 17:19               ` james woodyatt
2004-01-29 17:43               ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29 17:54                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-01-29 18:08                   ` Martin Berger
2004-01-30  0:19                   ` Lauri Alanko
2004-01-29 19:37                 ` skaller
2004-01-30  0:05                   ` Martin Berger
2004-01-30  6:52                     ` Brian Hurt
2004-01-30  8:53                       ` Issac Trotts
2004-01-30 20:45                       ` skaller
2004-01-31  6:29                         ` Brian Hurt
2004-01-30 20:12                     ` skaller
2004-01-29 18:35         ` skaller
2004-01-29  9:56     ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-29 18:26     ` skaller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-23 10:19 [Caml-list] ocaml killer Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-27  8:28 ` Richard Jones

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