From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id TAA10803; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:20:10 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10823 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:20:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2IIKbKW025651 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:20:38 +0100 X-Envelope-From: oliver@first.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-3) with ESMTP id i2IIK2np001704 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:20:06 +0100 Received: from first.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-3) with UUCP id i2II5EhD031842 for inria.fr!caml-list; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:05:14 +0100 Received: by first.in-berlin.de via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:02:29 +0100 (CET) From: oliver@first.in-berlin.de (Oliver Bandel) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:02:29 +0100 To: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: [oliver: [oliver: Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library)]] Message-ID: <20040318180229.GB702@first.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; oliver:01 in-berlin:01 oliver:01 bandel:01 ocaml's:01 caml-list:01 run-time:01 in-berlin:01 ocaml's:01 caml-list:01 run-time:01 2004:99 abandon:01 langauges:01 cpan-like:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 176 Hi, forwarded this from my outgoing-folder ("sent-mail"), because I had intended to send to the list, but sent it per PM. :( Ciao, Oliver ----- Forwarded message from oliver@first.in-berlin.de ----- To: Benjamin Geer Subject: Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:42:54PM +0000, Benjamin Geer wrote: [...] > > I think Caml desperately needs an explicit development plan and a clear, > efficient process for accepting enhancements from the community. Until > it has these, it will not be able to meet the needs of its users; many > of its users will be increasingly frustrated, and will eventually > abandon it. How do you plan the results of research? There will always be things you never will be able to plan. That is the nature of research. When I had to chose between those permanently developing langauges and it's plans and the conservative cathedral-situation of OCaml and the result of the languages, I definitly would chose Ocaml! Nevertheless a CPAN-like institution to get other stuff, will be a good idea. But it also is a good idea to have an Ocaml, that is clear and sharp and not cluttered into "we need this and that newest update from that library and the newst from that library and..." like it sometimes is necessary for system adiminstrators, who always need the newest updates to fix another one of the so many bugs, which comes along with the "we all put in our code"-behaviour. So, when the conputer scientists, the academians are reasearching and find out new things, it's good to have that going into the OCaml ocde. And IMHO it is good to keep that noise away (bugs and unnecessary stuff) and have a solid and reliable language. (To have gcc as an example can be turned into the opposite: There were many bugs and uncompatible versions and such... ...where you can see the disadvantages of bazaar-method, even when there is a development plan.) Inside planning you find: We know how and what to do and when. But we do not have the time to introduce new research results into our code, because we have to follow our plan. Inside researching you find: We don't know today, but we will research on that topic, and when we found NEW things, we can use it, and then we are on top, at the state of the art. Ciao, Oliver ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners