From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id JAA21576; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:51:41 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21662 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:51:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr (smtp2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2J8q8KW007205 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:52:08 +0100 Received: from lambda (AStrasbourg-206-1-23-200.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.49.251.200]) by mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BC77AA400105; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:51:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from luther by lambda with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B4FjQ-0005Ex-00; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:51:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:51:56 +0100 To: John Carr Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Message-ID: <20040319085156.GC14831@lambda> References: <20040318184118.GC702@first.in-berlin.de> <200403182010.i2IKAK1a008157@nerd-xing.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200403182010.i2IKAK1a008157@nerd-xing.mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i From: Sven Luther X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml's:01 caml-list:01 run-time:01 sven:01 luther:01 sven:01 luther:01 2004:99 bug:01 bug:01 licencing:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 consortium:01 complexity:02 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 198 On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 03:10:20PM -0500, John Carr wrote: > > > > 1. Nobody else knows the language. > > > 2. It doesn't run on our platform. > > > 3. It will break and we can't get support. > > > > Point 1 => same problem as with Linux about ten years ago > > > > Point 2 => really not running on that platform? > > > > Point 3 => The INRIA-cathedral will help to prevent this problem > > in the sense of "we do not allow any hacker to make > > changes in the core language" > > Suppose we find a bug in ocaml that impacts our product. > Whose job is it to fix the bug? Neither "a network of > hackers" nor "some academic researchers in France, if they > have the time" is an acceptable answer. We pay a company > to provide us with an embedded Linux environment including > cross-compilation tools. While in reality ocaml will be > more reliable than g++ due to the vast difference in > complexity, that doesn't overcome the fear. Well, nothing is stopping you from paying a programmer to fix the bug, and have it integrated in the upstream release. In fact, i do believe the Ocaml Consortium was set up for just that, and have access to the ocaml code under other licencing i think. So, contribute to it, help paying programmer to fix bugs and furthermore develop the part of ocaml you feel are important, in other word, put your money were your mouth is. > The library system is troublesome -- non-core libraries need > other libraries, which need other libraries, and so on -- but > in this case it didn't make a difference. Well, i never noticed such troubles in debian :)) But then, it is your fault if you did chose an inferior OS :)) Friendly, Sven Luther ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners