From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id DAA20420; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:12:14 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21440 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:12:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from glockenspiel.complete.org (glockenspiel.complete.org [69.10.152.57]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E1DBjq014026 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:13:11 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by glockenspiel.complete.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC64161; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from glockenspiel.complete.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (glockenspiel [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 11113-08; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from erwin.complete.org (unknown [12.149.180.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "erwin.complete.org", Issuer "John Goerzen -- Root CA" (verified OK)) by glockenspiel.complete.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA863E; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:12:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from katherina.lan.complete.org (katherina.lan.complete.org [10.200.0.4]) by erwin.complete.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F8524C; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: by katherina.lan.complete.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2EF5010005; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:12:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:12:19 -0500 From: John Goerzen To: "Brandon J. Van Every" Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] suggestion: do not link to www.ocaml.org Message-ID: <20040414011219.GB919@complete.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 (Debian) at complete.org X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 2004:99 brandon:99 geeks:01 dollar:99 ethic:99 python:01 python:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 0700,:01 wrt:01 loads:03 wrote:03 inria's:05 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 295 On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 04:25:45PM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > reasons. A number of other languages have the features, and some have > much better libraries, packages, and industrial provenness. What OCaml > apparently has is performance. That's interesting but not the reason that I was attracted to it. > The only thing I intensely dislike about the www.ocaml.org website is > the slogan, "The programming tool of choice for discriminating hackers." > This suggests that OCaml is a toy, used by exploratory geeks who don't > know the value of a dollar. I prefer INRIA's utter blandness to > ocaml.org's championing of the hacker geek ethic. No, it suggests that OCaml is a real language that can be used to solve real problems quickly, that it is not a "toy" language like BASIC, and that it has some power wrt system-level programming. Most of this is true, though it is rather weak on the system-level programming side. Both sites are functional. The Humps at ocaml.org are quite valuable. INRIA's page loads fast and I find what I want fast. I fail to see any problem there. > Don't get me started on the Python Software Foundation's utter inability > to market anything. Why should they? They're not a .com. Python is doing quite well, I'd say. -- John ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners