From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA06160; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:16:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06288 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:16:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from calmail-cl.berkeley.edu (mailfarm.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.61.106]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E6GnYM030924 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:16:50 +0200 Received: from [64.162.212.212] (HELO tallman.kefka.frap.net) by calmail-cl.berkeley.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with SMTP id 16408935; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:16:49 -0700 Received: by tallman.kefka.frap.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:16:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:16:00 -0700 From: Kenneth Knowles To: "Brandon J. Van Every" Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI Message-ID: <20040414061600.GA25717@tallman.kefka.frap.net> References: <1081902856.24588.146.camel@ice.gerd-stolpmann.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; knowles:99 caml-list:01 2004:99 brandon:99 fwiw:01 model:01 stupid:01 idealism:01 idealism:01 non-free:01 lgpl:01 non-free:01 noone:01 ocaml:01 0700,:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 304 On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 10:35:59PM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > I am not interested in Free Software as in 'free beer', I am interested > as in 'free speech'. And FWIW I'm on the MIT/BSD side of the debate. > If you're going to give it away, give it away completely. If it's too > valuable to give away, don't. I want my OCaml code to be commercially > useful for game development. I'm only interested in Open Source as a > business model - where is the *profit* of the software commons? I > think, it is in fixing stupid things that are a PITA for everyone over > and over again. Like package management for instance. I could care > less about FSF style idealism. I want things to work on the platform > I'm stuck with for the forseeable future. The primary motivation for much free software *is* FSF-style idealism. It is not reasonable to expect to reap the benefits of this idealism while contradicting its values. All I hear is "gimme, gimme" when non-free software developers ask for MIT/BSD and LGPL licenses. I am a non-free software developer myself, so don't think I don't see from that perspective. > > When you look to other languages: There are often commercial interests > > behind ports to Windows (e.g. ActiveState). I don't think the O'Caml > > market is ready for such a thing. > > Things don't get ready by waiting around for others to act. People who > want to get it ready, are what get it ready. Well said. It is telling that there is noone who wants to get it ready, considering Windows' market share. Kenn ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners