From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA07151; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:33:06 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06546 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:33:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from calmail-cl.berkeley.edu (mailfarm.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.61.106]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3E6Y5jq013631 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:34:05 +0200 Received: from [64.162.212.212] (HELO tallman.kefka.frap.net) by calmail-cl.berkeley.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with SMTP id 16414036; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:33:03 -0700 Received: by tallman.kefka.frap.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:32:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:32:14 -0700 From: Kenneth Knowles To: "Brandon J. Van Every" Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] suggestion: do not link to www.ocaml.org Message-ID: <20040414063214.GA25779@tallman.kefka.frap.net> References: <20040414053414.GA25712@tallman.kefka.frap.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; knowles:99 caml-list:01 2004:99 brandon:99 suffices:01 traits:01 haskell:01 delegates:01 scripted:01 brandon:99 seattle:99 2004:99 bug:01 faq:01 faq:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 307 On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 11:26:26PM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > I suppose I should have said 'many of the features'. I would note that > industry cares the least about advanced type safety. C# .NET Managed > Code suffices for now. I certainly agree that the industry doesn't seem to care about safety. And their products reflect it, including my own. (Don't tell my boss I said that :-) For me, the type safety and extremely powerful data structures and syntax of OCaml are why I don't use Scheme, and so I take them as fairly defining traits. Haskell is the only other major player in my book. C#? I do like it better than Java, and I'm sure it will spread, but anything without first-class functions (delegates are close, but syntactic abominations - anonymous inner classes are even more awful) and parametric polymorphism is like working in the stone age - its not like ML is new. Kenn > OCaml seems to offer a combination that other languages lack in part: > 1) garbage collected > 2) performance. Lotsa languages can't manage 1 + 2! > 3) native compiled, byte compiled, or scripted > 4) type safety > 5) high level language primitives > 6) functional or imperative > > > Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com > Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA > > Taking risk where others will not. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.643 / Virus Database: 411 - Release Date: 3/25/2004 > > ------------------- > To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners