From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA11228; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:05:13 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11119 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:05:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from gatekeeper.elmer.external.excelhustler.com (gatekeeper.excelhustler.com [68.99.114.105]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3EF5AYM010860 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:05:10 +0200 Received: from chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (unknown [192.168.0.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com", Issuer "excelhustler.com" (not verified)) by gatekeeper.elmer.external.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2EFE0247; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:05:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411405C007; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:05:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wile.internal.excelhustler.com (wile.internal.excelhustler.com [192.168.1.34]) by chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE915C005; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:05:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wile.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B4D92713A; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:05:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:05:10 -0500 From: John Goerzen To: "Brandon J. Van Every" Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Message-ID: <20040414150510.GA16580@excelhustler.com> References: <20040414061600.GA25717@tallman.kefka.frap.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-Scanned-By: clamscan at chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 gpl:01 2004:99 brandon:99 knowles:99 brandon:99 fwiw:01 idealism:01 gpl:01 mankind:99 marginally:01 dynamically:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 0700,:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 328 On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:38:08AM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > Kenneth Knowles wrote: > > Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > > > I am not interested in Free Software as in 'free beer', I > > > am interested > > > as in 'free speech'. And FWIW I'm on the MIT/BSD side of > > > the debate. > > > > The primary motivation for much free software *is* FSF-style > > idealism. > > True. And I can't stand those people. Ah, so you wish that everyone that released Free software did so under a license that allow you to personally profit from it by including it in your vaporware games, while simultaneously reducing the rights of the people you give it to, compared to what the FSF-style authors gave out? I have no problem using BSD/MIT-licensed software. The software *I* write is *all* under the GPL, because I want to guarantee everyone the same rights to use, modify, and copy it, regardless of where or from whom they received it. If somebody wants to use my code in a commercial project, they are of course welcome to negotiate a different license for that with me. I'm not going to let them use it for free unless they comply with the GPL. It seems that you want to have your cake and eat it to. > Idealists think the programmer is supposed to contribute massive amounts > of time and money for the betterment of all mankind. (Remember, time == > money.) Pragmatists think the individual should contribute very little, You have managed to probably mischaracterize both positions to such an extent that your argument is worhless. To read about what you call the "idealists", please visit www.fsf.org/philosophy. As a hint, development methodology has nothing to do with it; freedoms do. > So, if nobody else is interested in OCaml package management on Windows > for now, don't be surprised that I don't volunteer to be the first upon > the sacrificial altar. I only do things on an as-needed basis. I'd be > happy to help if others have similar needs though. If you're writing commercial code, what use do you have for OCaml package management anyway? You'll just link all the packages in at build time. Package management is only useful for people that compile things from source. (OK, *marginally* for people that load libraries dynamically) -- John ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners