From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA12039; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:14:16 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11842 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:14:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from gatekeeper.elmer.external.excelhustler.com (gatekeeper.excelhustler.com [68.99.114.105]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3EFFFjq013615 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:15:15 +0200 Received: from chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (unknown [192.168.0.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com", Issuer "excelhustler.com" (not verified)) by gatekeeper.elmer.external.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396D0E02C2; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:14:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055C35C006; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wile.internal.excelhustler.com (wile.internal.excelhustler.com [192.168.1.34]) by chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DAB5C005; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wile.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2E0D92713A; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0500 From: John Goerzen To: "Brandon J. Van Every" Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] suggestion: do not link to www.ocaml.org Message-ID: <20040414151414.GB16580@excelhustler.com> References: <20040414011219.GB919@complete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-Scanned-By: clamscan at chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 2004:99 brandon:99 python:01 python:01 misleading:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 irrelevant:01 0700,:01 unix:02 mentions:02 wrote:03 argument:03 perl:03 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 329 On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 09:32:26PM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > > No, it suggests that OCaml is a real language that can be > > used to solve real problems quickly, > > To you. And I submit, you are a techie who thinks the word 'hacker' has > positive connotations. Suits don't see it that way. Not that I'm a Sure, but -- who gives a damn? The site is clearly aimed at programmers who will understand. Your argument sounds like saying Slashdot is poorly marketed to suits because its slogan mentions "nerds". That's true, but irrelevant; Slashdot isn't *trying* to attract suits. > point is if you want to grow a language base, there are other > demographics to appeal to besides techies. Are you sure? Every place I've been -- large and small -- the decision-makers certainly sought the input of techies and, if the suits were making choices on language selection at all, were certainly not doing it by viewing a single web site. > > Why should they? They're not a .com. Python is doing quite well, I'd > > say. > > Sure. A 2% market share can't be wrong. ;-) Beats OCaml by a mile > though. You have no idea what the Python "market share" is, and also have shown no reason why it's relevant anyway. How do you define market share for something that is not sold, and thus has no "market" in the conventional sense to begin with? Sure, Python (or Perl) is going to appear to be a lot lower than .NET and VB if you go by units sold. That does not mean it is less popular or less useful. It also is misleading; VB has a 0% market share among Unix programmers. -- John ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners