From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA26457; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:36:53 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26317 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:36:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from gatekeeper.elmer.external.excelhustler.com (gatekeeper.excelhustler.com [68.99.114.105]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3EIaoYM009049 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:36:51 +0200 Received: from chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (unknown [192.168.0.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com", Issuer "excelhustler.com" (not verified)) by gatekeeper.elmer.external.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C23E0117; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2515C006; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wile.internal.excelhustler.com (wile.internal.excelhustler.com [192.168.1.34]) by chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059AA5C005; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wile.internal.excelhustler.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6754F38063; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:36:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:36:51 -0500 From: John Goerzen To: "Brandon J. Van Every" Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] suggestion: do not link to www.ocaml.org Message-ID: <20040414183651.GC21331@excelhustler.com> References: <20040414151414.GB16580@excelhustler.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-Scanned-By: clamscan at chatterbox.elmer.internal.excelhustler.com X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 2004:99 brandon:99 belabor:01 poking:01 freshness:99 python:01 python:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 0700,:01 off-topic:01 htm:97 engines:96 wrote:03 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 345 On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:16:02AM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > John Goerzen wrote: > > > To you. And I submit, you are a techie who thinks the word > > > 'hacker' has > > > positive connotations. Suits don't see it that way. Not that I'm a > > > > Sure, but -- who gives a damn? > > Clearly not you. Since you're not interested in entertaining the > perspective of target demographics other than your own, I don't see a > reason to belabor explaining anything to you. You won't listen. Nope, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that you are poking at OCaml.org, complaining that it doesn't target suits. Well, it doesn't *try* to target suits; it's targeting techies, so I don't see the problem. I think it's fine to also target suits, but if a single site tries to reach everyone, it will wind up doing a poor job for any one particular interest. > > The site is clearly aimed at programmers who will understand. > > If one wants to grow a language base, why should it be so narrowly > aimed? I don't think there's a real problem with aiming at the people that will actually use it. Granted, hackers only make up part of the OCaml community; they may in fact be a minority compared to the scientists and mathematicians using OCaml. But I would suspect those audiences also can find something of value on ocaml.org. The point about the news freshness is indeed quite important; nobody wants to use a language that is dying. > > > Sure. A 2% market share can't be wrong. ;-) Beats OCaml by a mile > > > though. > > > > You have no idea what the Python "market share" is, > > One point of data: > http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm > There are others. You can Google for them yourself. If you actually > want to know, it's knowable. The ballpark is certainly correct: try > going to Monster.com and searching for Python jobs. ;-) Now try OCaml. > ;-) ;-) Well, we're verging on being off-topic here, but yes, I know Python is more popular than OCaml. Neither the tiobe.com nor search engines produces a very reliable number, though; a valid survey would likely be required to do that. -- John ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners