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From: David Brown <caml-list@davidb.org>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: Ville-Pertti Keinonen <will@exomi.com>,
	Ocaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:07:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040618170710.GA5672@davidb.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406181004460.4305-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 10:38:45AM -0500, Brian Hurt wrote:

> As a side note, there is a reason why C++ is slower than C, even if you're 
> compiling the exact same code.  C++ functions need to be able to handle 
> exceptions and unroll the stack, even if the function itself doesn't throw 
> or catch exceptions.  Even if unrolling the stack is a no-op, the function 
> generally needs to be able to both be handed off from another function's 
> stack unrolling, and hand off to another function's stack unrolling.

That depends on how exceptions are implemented.  There is a cost to
exceptions that can be paid at different times:

  - At each exception catch (try).
  - At each exception occurrence (raise).
  - At every call.

I've not actually seen the third case implemented.  For some test cases,
the actual function code generated by gcc and g++ are identical.  g++
contains an extra descriptor to facilitate stack unwinding.  It appears
that g++ pays most of the exception cost on raise (which is probably
best for C++ where exceptions are truly, exceptional).

So, aside from cache differences due to the layout of the structures,
the C-type code should execute at the same speed with C++ and C.

Most gnat (Ada) targets also implement these "zero cost" exceptions,
where the raise pays the cost, rather than catch.

Dave

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-18 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-17 18:05 Brian Hurt
2004-06-18  1:18 ` Yaron Minsky
2004-06-18  9:37   ` Sebastien Ferre
2004-06-18 15:45     ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-18 21:39       ` Eray Ozkural
2004-06-18  6:09 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-18  7:56 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-18  8:59   ` skaller
2004-06-18  9:57     ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-18 10:48       ` Implementing DSLs in OCaml/CamlP4 (was: Re: [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived) Richard Jones
2004-06-18 12:32         ` Walid Taha
2004-06-18 15:38   ` [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived Brian Hurt
2004-06-18 17:07     ` David Brown [this message]
2004-06-19  0:26   ` Nicolas FRANCOIS
2004-06-19  9:04     ` [Caml-list] Benchmark suggestion (Was: Programming Language Shootout) Wolfgang Müller
2004-06-19 10:54       ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-19 19:38       ` [Caml-list] Benchmark suggestion Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-19 20:08         ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-19 20:16         ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-06-20 11:24           ` [Caml-list] Evangelism Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-19 11:18     ` [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-06-19 11:56     ` Nicolas Janin
2004-06-19 12:51       ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-06-19 19:46         ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-19 20:19           ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-19 12:09     ` Nicolas Janin
2004-06-19 12:48       ` John Hughes
2004-06-19 18:57       ` Brian Hurt

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