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From: Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>
To: Christophe Raffalli <Christophe.Raffalli@univ-savoie.fr>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Thread and kernel 2.6 pb still there in CVS
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:34:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040705163421.GA12344@yquem.inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40E97058.5060503@univ-savoie.fr>

> Just a last question:
> Now I saw that for "non broken" sched_yield, the call is still present.
> Are you sure that releasing the mutex is not enough to tell the 
> scheduler it may be a good time to give some cpu to another caml thread 
> blocked on the same mutex ?

In general, when there's code in the Caml implementation, it's for a
good reason.

> But I am sure you tested that too and this is why the call is still 
> there when possible ;-)

Yes, I tested.  Spent more than one day setting up and refining a test
harness, then running it on a variety of Linux and non-Linux systems.
Had to install a Fedora Core 2 somewhere to assess the damage done in
kernel 2.6.  In the meantime, read a bunch of condescending mailing
list posts along the lines of "if you're using sched_yield(), you must
be doing busy-waiting and that's wrong".  (Guess what?  I'm not doing
busy waiting!)  The conclusions are clear: sched_yield() does improve
fairness and has no significant costs in the situation corresponding to
Caml threads (contention on a master lock); and the Linux 2.6
developers managed to make sched_yield() useless for this purpose.

If the above sounds mildly irritated, that's because I am.

- Xavier Leroy

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-05 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-22 22:41 [Caml-list] Why must types be always defined at the top level? Richard Jones
2004-06-22 22:53 ` Markus Mottl
2004-06-22 23:32   ` skaller
2004-06-23 12:01     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-06-23 14:45       ` skaller
2004-06-23 16:28         ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-06-23 20:21           ` skaller
2004-06-23 20:52             ` skaller
2004-06-24 14:27               ` John Hughes
2004-06-24 16:47                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-06-24 17:30                   ` Markus Mottl
2004-06-24 17:45                 ` Xavier Leroy
2004-06-24 19:46                   ` John Hughes
2004-06-24 19:56                     ` David Brown
2004-06-24 19:57                     ` William D. Neumann
2004-06-24 20:13                       ` Olivier Andrieu
2004-06-24 23:26                     ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-25 10:20                     ` skaller
2004-06-25 11:07                       ` Basile Starynkevitch [local]
2004-06-25 12:30                         ` skaller
2004-06-25 14:38                           ` [Caml-list] Thread and kernel 2.6 pb still there in CVS Christophe Raffalli
2004-06-25 16:08                             ` [Caml-list] " Marco Maggesi
2004-06-25 16:32                               ` Markus Mottl
2004-06-28 15:08                             ` [Caml-list] " Xavier Leroy
2004-06-28 18:50                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-06-29  2:26                               ` Christophe Raffalli
     [not found]                                 ` <7AFB5F64-C944-11D8-975C-00039310CAE8@inria.fr>
     [not found]                                   ` <40E11621.3050709@univ-savoie.fr>
2004-07-05 15:14                                     ` Christophe Raffalli
2004-07-05 16:34                                       ` Xavier Leroy [this message]
2004-07-06  9:33                                         ` Alex Baretta
2004-07-08 13:51                                           ` Christophe Raffalli
2004-07-08 15:03                                             ` Xavier Leroy
2004-07-09 23:21                               ` Donald Wakefield
2004-07-10 10:56                                 ` Damien Doligez
2004-06-24 23:23                   ` [Caml-list] Why must types be always defined at the top level? Brian Hurt
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406241813370.4202-100000@localhost.localdom ain>
2004-06-26 23:08                       ` Dave Berry
2004-06-25  1:59                   ` Yaron Minsky
2004-06-24 23:08                 ` Brian Hurt

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