From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA20081; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:28:37 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20521 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:28:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from yquem.inria.fr (yquem.inria.fr [128.93.8.37]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7C9S4mL014440; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:28:04 +0200 Received: by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix, from userid 18180) id 1D20BBC78; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:28:04 +0200 From: Xavier Leroy To: "Brandon J. Van Every" Cc: caml Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Who controls INRIA mailserv filters? Message-ID: <20040812092804.GA22284@yquem.inria.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 411B3824.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 bayesian:01 paranoid:01 posts:01 repetitive:01 amusing:01 restaurants:99 caml-list:01 seattle:99 posts:01 ocaml:01 groups:01 flame:02 business:96 business:96 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk > I am irritated, yet again, that I cannot get my announcement for ML > S*attle to pass the mailserv filters. Who do I e-mail to do something > about this? I also want the words "Brand*n" and "S*attle" removed from > the bayesian filter. They are an unreasonable detriment to my ongoing > organization of OCaml local discussion groups and mailing lists, and > frankly I'm suspicious that someone put them there deliberately. Don't get paranoid, please. If we wanted to prevent you from posting on this list, you'd be blacklisted for good and none of your posts would show up. That happened once for a really abusive poster. Your messages aren't abusive, just very repetitive, devoid of technical content, and full of misconceptions. Some of your recent Usenet postings left me shaking my head in disbelief, not knowing whether to laugh or cry. But again that's not reason for blacklisting. It's amusing (as usual) to look at why your announcements are rejected. Below are the words on which the filter latched, thinly disguised. First attempt: b r a n d o n : 99 m e e t s : 99 s t u m b l i n g : 01 c a p i t o l : 99 s t u m b l i n g : 01 1 6 3 5: 99 r e s t a u r a n t : 99 s p e c i a l t y : 99 s p e c i a l t y : 99 p a r k i n g : 99 c a p i t o l : 99 p a r k i n g : 99 c a m l -l i s t : 01 b a y e s i a n : 01 c r a p : 01 Second attempt: b r a n d o n : 99 m e e t s : 99 s t u m b l i n g : 01 c a p i t o l : 99 y a h : 99 s t u m b l i n g : 01 1 6 3 5: 99 r e s t a u r a n t : 99 s p e c i a l t y : 99 s p e c i a l t y : 99 p a r k i n g : 99 c a p i t o l : 99 p a r k i n g : 99 c a m l -l i s t : 01 b a y e s i a n: 01 Two things are clear here: the filter think that discussions of food and restaurants aren't on topic here; moreover, your attempt to disguise Yahoo into something else clearly backfired. If you write like spammers, you'll be filtered like spammers, that's for sure. My feeling is that the filter is doing its job quite well (if it wasn't, there would be several dozens spams a day on this list) and the last thing I wish to do is offset its delicate balance. Besides, I have more interesting things to do. Finally, my parents taught me not to use "I want" in polite company, so I find your demands somewhat rude. Posting to caml-list isn't a right, it's a privilege. Why don't you just put the details of your meeting on a web page and post a short message "Next meeting on , see http://URL for practical details"? You do realize that > 95% of the subscribers don't leave in Seattle and couldn't care less about the delicacies and car park available there, right? In one of your several follow-ups, you add: > When I look back over my posts, I see sufficient technical > content. You may not like business or organizational issues, or the > kinds of theatrics they can precipitate, but that's the growing pains of > any language. You show me a serious caml-biz list, and I will take the > traffic there. Until then, you're stuck with me here. Sorry if I'm going to flame you, but you should be aware of the following: - I and many other caml-list regulars don't see sufficient technical content. Your grasp of technical stuff seems quite thin. - I and many other caml-list regulars don't wish to discuss business issues with you. I don't discuss business on open mailing lists. - I and many other caml-list regulars don't like your theatrics. This isn't Actor's studio. - The growing pains you mention weren't apparent to us before you started making such a noise on this list. - You're most welcome to create your caml-biz list and discuss whatever you want there. Actually, I feel you aren't interested in discussions as much as in asserting your preconceptions, which makes you prime material for blogging. - As I explained above, posting to this list isn't a right, so we are not at all "stuck with you here". Thanks for your attention. - Xavier Leroy ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners