From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B65BC75 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:20:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1NBKHsn006410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:20:17 +0100 Received: from [80.229.56.224] (helo=chetara) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D3uYy-000N9i-5w for caml-list@yquem.inria.fr; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:20:16 +0000 From: Jon Harrop Organization: Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd. To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Cross-platform "Hello, World" graphical application in OCaml Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:21:36 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050222120308.GA2975@furbychan.cocan.org> <200502230005.01479.jon@jdh30.plus.com> <20050223072916.GB20055@scientician.net> In-Reply-To: <20050223072916.GB20055@scientician.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502231121.36590.jon@jdh30.plus.com> X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 421C66F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml:01 wrote:01 wrote:01 renderer:01 half-way:01 framebuffer:01 guis:01 sourceforge:01 ocaml:01 radeon:98 frog:98 opengl:01 opengl:01 graphical:02 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: On Wednesday 23 February 2005 07:29, Bardur Arantsson wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 12:05:01AM +0000, Jon Harrop wrote: > > I prefer the idea of implementing a single back-end: a decent vector > > graphics renderer which uses OpenGL. I can't think of any reason I'd > > ditch these for another back-end. > > On Linux, only Radeon and NVidia cards have even half-way decent OpenGL > support -- and even then you need proprietary drivers for the most recent > ones. I probably don't need to tell you that rendering OpenGL to a > framebuffer via software on a general-purpose CPU (ie. software > rendering) is spectacularly slow. Certainly slow enough to make a GUI > completely unusable. That is totally untrue, of course. Software rendering of OpenGL is about as fast as the current software rendering of GUIs. > Maybe you should try Eclipse and the OCaml-plugins: > > - http://www.eclipse.org/ > - http://eclipsefp.sourceforge.net/ocaml/ > > Now, I haven't tested the OCaml/C++ support, so I don't know how good > that is, but the Java support in Eclipse is incredible. I've tried them. They are certainly going in the right direction but there is still a lot of room for improvement. :-) Would anyone be interested in a commercial OCaml IDE? -- Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd. http://ffconsultancy.com