From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF9FBC84 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2UEJpVk002867 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:19:51 +0200 Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA32321 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:19:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from web50904.mail.yahoo.com (web50904.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.124]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with SMTP id j2UEJoQZ002861 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:19:50 +0200 Received: (qmail 67866 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2005 14:19:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zPgxEacpdLDlIKli2uplYs4Wlb//V8PPGoPT53VoF7snBqlR+gk+XO8kgYN4VrRMnlf6KFAasASHHrZTnJxim/uKfsVEqIkP3JuQ+oZzDOtfUwDGN/znrnBAuBjVyj2YJ+9n9arSLP/8JDQrPECNiYSHnxC2JdUWjVqGVJ6Le4k= ; Message-ID: <20050330141949.67864.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.72.49.124] by web50904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:19:49 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Sandin Subject: Re: Still problems with the main ocaml web page To: caml-list@inria.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 424AB587.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 424AB586.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 ocaml:01 binaries:01 dev:01 snip:02 desirable:03 sparse:04 erik:04 erik:04 problem:05 problem:05 oriented:05 marketing:93 practical:06 written:06 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: Erik de Castro Lopo skrev: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:43:17 +1000 > Erik de Castro Lopo > which means that the server is OK and that the problem must be in my > browser. Might be, might be. But it's a problem you share with each of the 3 Internet Explorer copies (ie 3 windows machines) I've tried to use to access the site. If the problem is specific to me, please tell me and ignore what I've written below. The site works fine in Opera and Mozilla, and is a lot nicer than the old, but it doesn't work in IE. The fact that Windows isn't the no 1 priority of the OCaml team, or the community, is both obvious (witness the lack of 3.08.3 binaries for Windows) and understandable. But I am still surprised that it was even considered acceptable to release a site which entierly excludes the 80+% majority browser (figure is likely to be lower in the dev community, but no way less than 50%). I always thought OCaml at least wanted to grow, I sure do want it to, a popular language brings many desirable advantages, and that a new site would help in this regard (image is important, after all). But while the new site looks (and more importantly, works) better it can only be viewed by those who already know to look for substance over flash (gross generalization) and often prefer sparse sites. The young and impressionable ones will miss it entierly and the more market oriented ones will not be interested in something which looks practically dead (or completly oblivious to marketing, which is much the same). In what way this situation is to be considered an improvement in general, and for whom, I don't know. I know you are all overworked and not web design people. I know promotion and popularity are fairly low priority items, which is part of the reason you've been able to bring us this extremly versatile language. But the now practical lack of a real web presence for OCaml denies the language, you, and us all, to even have a shot. I really prefer not to whine, and this post came out a whole lot more negative than I wished, but I want to use OCaml a lot more in the future. Thanks. Martin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com