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From: Jere Sanisalo <xm@xmunkki.org>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml?
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:34:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050726013444.GA32493@xmunkki.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0507252001300.19547@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 08:10:29PM -0500, Brian Hurt wrote:
>>Depends on the task.. What if it was a hardware driver?
>Hardware drivers are specialized tasks.  One thing that drives me crazy is 
>the assumption that a language needs to be able to do everything, and if 
>it can't, it can't do anything.

Well I was hardly saying that now was I? In my line of work (games) you
often need to cross the borders a bit in order to accomplish what you want.
I'm a bit late in these discussions and I just started to feel like I was
throwing gas on the fire. I'm sorry about that, and I will refrain further
from this discussion (after this message).

It's just that I know that I'm missing some crucial learning points about
designing software in FP manner. And games *are* close to the HW, usually.
Not always, but sometimes. And some gameplay tweaks are near the tweaks HW
drivers do (perhaps because it's not researched enough, perhaps? this is the
thing I want to know).

>The point is that instead of bitching about how hard it is to implement 
>the other language's solution in this language, to instead be thinking 
>about the correct solution to implement in this language.

And this is indeed the thing I want to know.. But before, I was just saying,
that in general, a languages "usefulness" is usually measured by the things
it can do. And by that, people rarely consider the language. Actually what
they consider is the API and the libraries. Just one pellet of fuel to the
fire, I guess.. :)

But just to recap, I really really want to stop programming my games in C++.
I have been looking for a way out for years. I have found one possibility
for tools; .NET/C#. Not quite the ideal, but F# helps in some respects and
the API is quite nice for tools. But I find many gaming problems to be
easier to solve in FP manner, but some of their relatives tie to the
hardware and low level way of thinking. If I'm small minded now, that's ok.
I'm not saying I'm right.

I just want to learn ;D.

But that's it for me now.. I'll keep my eye on this thread, though..

And sorry again..

-- 
Jere Sanisalo [xm@xmunkki.org] - http://www.xmunkki.org/


  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-26  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-22 14:26 Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-22 14:52 ` [Caml-list] " Eric Cooper
2005-07-22 15:26 ` [SPAM_PROBABLE] - [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? - Bayesian Filter detected spam Christophe Dehlinger
2005-07-22 18:58   ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? Stephane Glondu
2005-07-22 15:50 ` Berke Durak
2005-07-22 16:47   ` brogoff
2005-07-22 15:54 ` Michel Quercia
2005-07-23  5:00 ` Michael Alexander Hamburg
2005-07-23 12:34   ` Xavier Leroy
2005-07-23 13:16     ` Berke Durak
2005-07-23 16:36       ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 18:27         ` Berke Durak
2005-07-23 18:50           ` Matthieu Sozeau
2005-07-24  8:35             ` Berke Durak
2005-07-23 19:18           ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 19:35             ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-23 19:50               ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 19:59                 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-23 20:15                   ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-23 23:16                     ` james woodyatt
2005-07-23 23:27                   ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 18:37     ` Michael Alexander Hamburg
2005-07-23 18:52       ` Bardur Arantsson
2005-07-23 21:35         ` [Caml-list] " Michael Alexander Hamburg
2005-07-23 19:19     ` [Caml-list] " Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-24  7:27     ` [Caml-list] "Just say no!" campaign against Obj [was: How to do this properly with OCaml?] Alex Baretta
2005-07-24  8:02       ` [Caml-list] "Just say no!" campaign against Obj james woodyatt
2005-07-24 17:27       ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-25  8:43         ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-24 21:37       ` [Caml-list] "Just say no!" campaign against Obj [was: How to do this properly with OCaml?] brogoff
2005-07-25  8:15         ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-25 17:08           ` brogoff
2005-07-25  8:57         ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-24 17:33     ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? skaller
2005-07-24 18:13       ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-24 18:48         ` skaller
2005-07-24 19:14           ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-24 20:29             ` skaller
2005-07-24 20:49               ` skaller
2005-07-24 21:08                 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-24 21:55                   ` skaller
2005-07-24 23:23                     ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-25  0:32                       ` skaller
2005-07-25  6:45                         ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-25 11:35                           ` skaller
2005-07-26  0:47                             ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-26  0:56                               ` Jere Sanisalo
2005-07-26  1:10                                 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-26  1:34                                   ` Jere Sanisalo [this message]
2005-07-26  9:03                                     ` Richard Jones
2005-07-27 17:21                                     ` skaller
2005-07-27 19:44                                       ` [Caml-list] Games Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 20:35                                         ` Jere Sanisalo
2005-07-28  0:13                                           ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-28  1:12                                             ` Jere Sanisalo
2005-07-28  2:44                                               ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-28  4:49                                                 ` skaller
2005-07-28 19:48                                                   ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-28 21:32                                                     ` David Thomas
2005-07-28 22:31                                                       ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-29  1:44                                                         ` Michael Walter
2005-07-29  2:32                                                         ` David Thomas
2005-07-29  3:52                                                           ` skaller
2005-07-29 12:57                                                             ` David Thomas
2005-07-28 10:58                                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2005-07-28 17:19                                         ` David Thomas
2005-07-28 19:22                                           ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 21:13                                       ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? Pal-Kristian Engstad
2005-07-27 22:28                                         ` skaller
2005-07-28  1:47                                           ` Michael Walter
2005-07-27 23:17                                         ` [Caml-list] Games Jon Harrop
2005-07-28  0:03                                         ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? Paul Snively
2005-07-28 18:26                                           ` Jonathan Bryant
2005-07-28 23:10                                             ` Paul Snively
2005-07-27 16:03                                   ` skaller
2005-07-26  1:01                               ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-26  1:15                                 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-27 15:33                                 ` skaller
2005-07-30 23:24                                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-31  0:06                                     ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-31  3:10                                       ` skaller
2005-07-31  2:54                                     ` skaller
2005-07-26 20:32                               ` David Thomas
2005-07-27 15:05                               ` skaller
2005-07-27 15:29                                 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 15:35                                   ` David Thomas
2005-07-27 20:11                                     ` skaller
2005-07-28 16:35                                       ` David Thomas
2005-07-30 23:33                                     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-31  0:39                                       ` james woodyatt
2005-07-27 19:59                                   ` skaller
2005-07-26  1:22                             ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 17:23                               ` skaller
2005-07-26  1:05                         ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-26  1:20                           ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-26  1:28                             ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 17:03                             ` skaller
2005-07-27 16:09                           ` skaller
2005-07-24 23:26               ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-25 17:21       ` Ken Rose
2005-07-25 19:19         ` skaller
2005-07-26  7:10           ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-23 18:58   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-26  1:32 Jon Harrop
     [not found] <200507271635.28931.jon@ffconsultancy.com>
2005-07-27 16:31 ` David Thomas

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