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From: Martin Chabr <martin_chabr@yahoo.de>
To: Oliver Bandel <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Ant:  Re: Ant:  Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:36:08 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051001213609.88104.qmail@web26808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050930225737.GA592@first.in-berlin.de>

Hello Oliver,

I am trying to find a programming style within the
spectrum of possibilities which OCaml supports. This
programming style should be easy to produce, easy to
read and efficient in runtime.

Sometimes a nested system of "for" or "while" loops
appears simpler to me than a system of recursive
calls. Sometimes such systems of recursive calls
remind me of undisciplined goto jumps.

There is an excellent OCaml tutorial at:
http://www.ocaml-tutorial.org/.

In this tutorial the author gives a simple example of
a stack-blowing, non-tail-recursive code. The
following tail-recursive version takes two functions
instead of one and is relatively much more complex. In
general, for the real world problems, it is much
worse. I cite the author:
"That was a brief overview of tail recursion, but in
real world situations determining if a function is
tail recursive can be quite hard." I believe him.
This is at:
http://www.ocaml-tutorial.org/if_statements,_loops_and_recursion
section tail recursion.

I think that some problems, like simple operations on
lists, can be easier described by pattern matching and
recursion, whereas for others it appears more natural
to take loops.

I also think that what looks simple or not depends on
the person. I myself have spent half of my life with
imperative languages.

Regards,

Martin

--- Oliver Bandel <oliver@first.in-berlin.de> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 11:07:30PM +0200, Martin
> Chabr wrote:
> > Hello William,
> > 
> > I am using a mutable record. I am programming this
> 90%
> > in the imperative (non-functional) style, so that
> I
> > can rewrite critical parts into Fortran easily.
> > Another reason is, I am an intermediate user and
> > finding out whether the recursion is a tail-one or
> not
> > is difficult for me.
> 
> When you 90% of your code are writing in imperative
> style
> and do not go deeper into the functional/recursive
> world, you will never be able to distinguish between
> tail-rec and non-tail-rec style.
> 
> But: It is not really hard to find the distinction
> betwen
>  the two styles, but often the explanations are not
> made
>  well.
>  Sometimes it's only one or two words in an
> explanation about
>  tail-rec/non-tail-rec that must be substituted by
> other words,
>  and the distinction can be made visible very easy.
> 
> On the other hand: writing mor funtional/recursive
> code will
> make you more used to to this...
> 
> Ciao,
>    Oliver
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-01 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-25 21:32 Martin Chabr
2005-09-26  0:23 ` [Caml-list] " Bill Wood
2005-09-26  7:57 ` Claudio Sacerdoti Coen
2005-09-26  8:17 ` William Lovas
2005-09-26 21:07   ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-09-26 22:08     ` Jon Harrop
2005-09-30 22:57     ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-01  0:07       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2005-10-01  5:46         ` Bill Wood
2005-10-01  8:27         ` Wolfgang Lux
2005-10-01 18:02           ` Wolfgang Lux
2005-10-01 21:50           ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-01 12:34         ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-01 13:58           ` Bill Wood
2005-10-01 21:05         ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03  0:41           ` skaller
2005-10-03  1:13             ` Seth J. Fogarty
2005-10-03 13:09             ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-10-03 14:57               ` skaller
2005-10-03 20:03               ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03 20:25                 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-10-03 21:08                 ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04 18:06                   ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-04 18:32                     ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04  2:53                 ` skaller
2005-10-04 16:15                   ` Brian Hurt
2005-10-04 16:47                     ` FP/IP and performance (in general) and Patterns... (Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data) Oliver Bandel
2005-10-04 22:38                       ` Michael Wohlwend
2005-10-05  0:31                         ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04 22:39                       ` Christopher A. Watford
2005-10-04 23:14                         ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-05 12:10                         ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-05 13:08                           ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-05 15:28                           ` skaller
2005-10-05 20:52                           ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-05 23:21                             ` Markus Mottl
2005-10-06 16:54                               ` brogoff
2005-10-05  0:45                       ` Brian Hurt
2005-10-04 18:09                   ` Ant: Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data Martin Chabr
2005-10-05  8:42                     ` skaller
2005-10-05 11:14               ` Andrej Bauer
2005-10-01 21:36       ` Martin Chabr [this message]
2005-10-03 11:51         ` getting used to FP-programming (Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data) Oliver Bandel

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