caml-list - the Caml user's mailing list
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: Ant:  Re: Ant:  Re: Ant:  Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:08:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200510032208.35273.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051003200337.14092.qmail@web26809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

On Monday 03 October 2005 21:03, Martin Chabr wrote:
> what I am especially concerned about is the stack
> overflow for non-tail-recursive programs. Speed is of
> less importance.

Yes. Many useful algorithms are non-tail recursive and do not cause stack 
overflows, e.g. those that recurse O(log n) times.

> By the way, we are diverting from the subject of this
> thread and from the main cause of my concern:
>
> Avoiding shared data. Why is it done that way? Who
> wants to have an array or list of identical records or
> sub-arrays or other sub-structures which are all
> updated at the same time in the same way? In other 
> words, who wants to have an array or a list of
> pointers which are pointing to the same thing?

If you mean this:

# let a = Array.make 3 (ref 0) in (a.(0) := 3; a);;
- : int ref array = [|{contents = 3}; {contents = 3}; {contents = 3}|]

I don't want arrays of elements referencing the same value. So I don't create 
them.

> Does it ever happen in OCaml if programming is done in
> a purely functional way?

If you mean "is referential transparency useful?" then the answer is 
definitely yes. I use data structures that share data all the time but not in 
the form of an array or list of the same repeated value.

For example, computing set unions, differences and intersections using the Set 
module reuses branches of old tree when possible. This reduces the asymptotic 
algorithmic complexity of these operations so they can run asymptotically 
faster than imperative implementations.

> Does it happen in Haskell? 

You'll get a suboptimal answer to such questions on this list.

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
Objective CAML for Scientists
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-03 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-25 21:32 Martin Chabr
2005-09-26  0:23 ` [Caml-list] " Bill Wood
2005-09-26  7:57 ` Claudio Sacerdoti Coen
2005-09-26  8:17 ` William Lovas
2005-09-26 21:07   ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-09-26 22:08     ` Jon Harrop
2005-09-30 22:57     ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-01  0:07       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2005-10-01  5:46         ` Bill Wood
2005-10-01  8:27         ` Wolfgang Lux
2005-10-01 18:02           ` Wolfgang Lux
2005-10-01 21:50           ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-01 12:34         ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-01 13:58           ` Bill Wood
2005-10-01 21:05         ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03  0:41           ` skaller
2005-10-03  1:13             ` Seth J. Fogarty
2005-10-03 13:09             ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-10-03 14:57               ` skaller
2005-10-03 20:03               ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03 20:25                 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-10-03 21:08                 ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2005-10-04 18:06                   ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-04 18:32                     ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04  2:53                 ` skaller
2005-10-04 16:15                   ` Brian Hurt
2005-10-04 16:47                     ` FP/IP and performance (in general) and Patterns... (Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data) Oliver Bandel
2005-10-04 22:38                       ` Michael Wohlwend
2005-10-05  0:31                         ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-04 22:39                       ` Christopher A. Watford
2005-10-04 23:14                         ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-05 12:10                         ` Oliver Bandel
2005-10-05 13:08                           ` Jon Harrop
2005-10-05 15:28                           ` skaller
2005-10-05 20:52                           ` Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-05 23:21                             ` Markus Mottl
2005-10-06 16:54                               ` brogoff
2005-10-05  0:45                       ` Brian Hurt
2005-10-04 18:09                   ` Ant: Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data Martin Chabr
2005-10-05  8:42                     ` skaller
2005-10-05 11:14               ` Andrej Bauer
2005-10-01 21:36       ` Ant: Re: Ant: " Martin Chabr
2005-10-03 11:51         ` getting used to FP-programming (Re: Ant: Re: Ant: Re: [Caml-list] Avoiding shared data) Oliver Bandel

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=200510032208.35273.jon@ffconsultancy.com \
    --to=jon@ffconsultancy.com \
    --cc=caml-list@yquem.inria.fr \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).