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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:35:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200612221235.12273.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <458AFC39.70707@philippewang.info>

On Thursday 21 December 2006 21:27, Philippe Wang wrote:
> If you want to do that, use Lisp...

Lisp is too slow.

> Or use sum types...
> type t = Int of int | Float of float | ...

Manual boxing is too verbose.

> OCaml forgets types at runtime!

Some type related information is certainly retained, e.g. to unbox float 
arrays.

> This means that you can't know without a huge cost (cf. SafeUnmarshal
> costs), because what you can do in O(1) is to know whether a value is an
> int or a pointer...

I'd like to quantify this cost. I've read papers and heard work stating that 
carrying run-time type information can be cheap but I see evidence that might 
point to the contrary, e.g. F# is significantly slower than OCaml but it has 
concurrent GC that was designed for a non-FPL.

In F#, you have run-time type information. Amongst other things, this allows 
you to dispatch to more efficient type-specialised functions. For example, 
you can write functions over polymorphic arrays and dispatch to optimised 
BLAS versions for float arrays when the input happens to be a float array.

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
Objective CAML for Scientists
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-22 12:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-21  3:41 Denis Bueno
2006-12-21  4:34 ` [Caml-list] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2006-12-21  7:22   ` skaller
2006-12-21  9:12     ` Till Varoquaux
2006-12-21  9:18     ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 10:29       ` skaller
2006-12-21 20:21         ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 13:30     ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 13:52       ` skaller
2006-12-21 14:59         ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 20:25           ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 20:41             ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-21 22:16               ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 12:21                 ` strong/weak typing terminology (was Re: [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml) Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 16:51                   ` Tom
2006-12-22 17:34                     ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 18:16                     ` skaller
2006-12-22 18:47                       ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 19:42                         ` skaller
2006-12-22 20:03                           ` David Brown
2006-12-22 20:17                             ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23  3:48                               ` skaller
2006-12-23  4:11                                 ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 20:19                           ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23 12:58                           ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-23 16:06                             ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23 21:50                               ` Tom
2006-12-26  6:10                                 ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 20:14                   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 21:11             ` [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 21:27               ` Philippe Wang
2006-12-21 22:06                 ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-22 12:35                 ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2006-12-21 22:19               ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 12:37                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-22 18:52                   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22  2:51               ` skaller
2006-12-22 15:20                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-22 11:32               ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-23 18:50           ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-24  0:15             ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-24  3:30             ` skaller
2006-12-21 14:59 ` Richard Jones
2006-12-21 20:27   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 23:35   ` Martin Jambon
2006-12-26 17:14 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-12-26 23:36   ` Ian Zimmerman
2006-12-27 18:25     ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-12-27 18:39       ` Richard Jones
2006-12-27 19:20         ` Aleksey Nogin

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