From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E394CBC69 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:16:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from furbychan.cocan.org (furbychan.cocan.org [80.68.91.176]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l28LGvnk009725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:16:57 +0100 Received: from rich by furbychan.cocan.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1HPPyX-0000Aa-00; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:16:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:16:37 +0000 To: Jim Miller Cc: skaller , caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Interactive technical computing Message-ID: <20070308211637.GB26279@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <200703080113.22721.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <1173322347.12230.61.camel@rosella.wigram> <1173323451.12230.77.camel@rosella.wigram> <1173324431.12230.94.camel@rosella.wigram> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Richard Jones X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 45F07D49.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 kloc:01 ocamlopt:01 wrote:01 compile:01 caml-list:01 dll:03 languages:03 languages:03 library:03 computing:05 thread:05 papers:05 linked:06 wed:06 On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:36:18PM -0500, Jim Miller wrote: > What's I think is the interesting point about this discussion is "What are > the hurdles toward acceptance of any new language, scripting or not, into a > given community?" Obviously OCAML and the ML languages have deeply > penetrated some markets but haven't even dented others. There have been > lots of papers, studies, and discussion written on this ( > lambda-the-ultimate.org has many of them archived) so that's probably > something for a different thread to be read wearing flame-retardant > underthings. I'm currently contributing to a 45KLOC C library which I'm sure would be about 10 times smaller if written in a reasonable language. Putting aside the obvious cultural resistance to using a sensible language for this project, there is one technical hurdle: It needs to compile into a DLL which can be linked to other programs (in C and other languages). I can't generate such code using ocamlopt, at least not without using unsupported out-of-tree extensions. Rich. -- Richard Jones Red Hat