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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Custom operators in the revised syntax
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 06:59:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705120659.49753.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1178948713.14691.89.camel@rosella.wigram>

On Saturday 12 May 2007 06:45, you wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 05:47 +0100, Jon Harrop wrote:
> > > I have only seen one algorithm for this an it was
> > > extremely complicated. If you know a better way I'd
> > > sure like to know what it is.
> >
> > AFAIK, you just change the unify to intersect sets of types.
>
> I have no idea how to unify in the presence of (undiscriminated)
> setwise union of polymorphic types. It seems a little easier
> if the types are restricted to a finite set of non-polymorphic
> types.

They are, aren't they? e.g. int or float.

If you write:

> let ipow3 x =
    let sqr x = x*x in
    x * sqr x;;
val ipow3 : int -> int

then F# gives the inner definition "sqr" a type like [int|float] as 'a -> 'a 
until it is resolved to int -> int. If you change the code with an outer 
annotation:

> let ipow3 x : float =
    let sqr x = x*x in
    x * sqr x
val ipow3 : float -> float

then it still works because the inner type specializes to float -> float 
rather than defaulting to int -> int. The outer definition of "ipow3" then 
becomes float -> float.

> If ANYONE knows an algorithm that can do unification with
> sets of types, that is, with a union type, I'd sure like
> to know it!

Isn't this exactly what polymorphic variants do?

> > I hadn't thought of that. I just discovered that you cannot add vectors
> > of vectors in F#, so it is probably 1st order only.
>
> Hmm, that's a bit surprising if your explanation above is correct,
> that is, if it resorts to dynamic typing if it can't resolve
> statically.

I don't think it resorts to dynamic typing. I think it just doesn't do static 
code explosion as C++ templates do. That isn't dynamic typing because the 
types are still checked statically.

I believe the F# standard library also does some run-time type based 
optimizations, like using specialized routines for vectors and matrices of 
floats. Again, this isn't really dynamic typing because it does not introduce 
any run-time errors.

So if you do:

  type 'a complex = {r: 'a; i: 'a}
  let zero_float = {r=0.; i=0.}
  let zero_float32 = {r=0.f; i=0.f}

then it doesn't generate type specialized code for float and float32 (same as 
OCaml). When you do:

  List.map ((+) 1)

OCaml does not use a version of List.map that is specialized for ints.

That isn't to say that the .NET JIT won't do the specialization itself, but I 
believe it does not currently do that.

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
The F#.NET Journal
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/fsharp_journal/?e


  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-12  6:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-10 20:55 Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-10 21:35 ` [Caml-list] " Loup Vaillant
2007-05-10 22:25   ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-11  6:52 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2007-05-11 13:14 ` dmitry grebeniuk
2007-05-11 14:15   ` Loup Vaillant
2007-05-11 14:37     ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-11 14:46       ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-12  2:48         ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-12  4:40           ` skaller
2007-05-12  4:47             ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-12  5:45               ` skaller
2007-05-12  5:59                 ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2007-05-12  6:43                   ` skaller
2007-05-12 10:22             ` Richard Jones
2007-05-13 15:42               ` Arnaud Spiwack
2007-05-13 16:04                 ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-05-13 20:08                   ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-12  9:49           ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-12 10:09             ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-11 14:52       ` Loup Vaillant
2007-05-11 18:32         ` skaller
2007-05-12  4:48         ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-11 18:23       ` skaller
2007-05-11 14:40     ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-11 18:22     ` skaller
2007-05-11 14:36   ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-11 14:47     ` brogoff
2007-05-11 14:51       ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-11 18:25         ` brogoff
2007-05-11 20:37           ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-12 22:54           ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-13  0:27             ` ketti
2007-05-13  1:05               ` Christian Stork
2007-05-13 10:50                 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-05-13  5:52             ` brogoff
2007-05-13  7:36               ` skaller
2007-05-13 13:12                 ` Jacques Carette

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