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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Comparison of OCaml and MLton for numerics
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:17:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705310717.01553.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5195a210705302250u6a9e5adey4ed857480f9e5cd8@mail.gmail.com>

On Thursday 31 May 2007 06:50:05 Yuanchen Zhu wrote:
> The performance numbers were as following:
>
> Ocaml (unsafe) : user: 39.674s, real: 41.356s
> MLton (safe):  user:  17.981s, real: 21.968s

You may be interested to know that there are no optimizing SML compilers for 
AMD64, which is a much better platform for numerical work:

  http://www.ffconsultancy.com/languages/ray_tracer/results.html

OCaml is over 60% faster on this benchmark.

Having said that, I notice that twice as many people are downloading the x86 
demos on my site compared to the x64.

> let hconvolve kern (img:t) r =
>   let sup = Array.length kern - 1 in
>   let img' = create (size img) in
>     for y = 0 to height img - 1 do
>       for x = 0 to width img - 1 do
>         let s = ref 0.0 in
>           for i = 0 to sup do
>             let (kx, ky) = kern.(i) in
>               s := !s +. ky *. getReflected img y (x + kx) 1.0 r

I can think of various ways to rearrange this that might help performance.

> The new running time is:
>
> Ocaml (unsafe) : user: 21.477s, real: 23.366s

What is the running time for safe OCaml?

> which is much in line with MLton:
>
> MLton (safe):  user:  17.981s, real: 21.968s

What platforms and architectures did you benchmark on? May we have the code to 
benchmark it ourselves?

> Although note that the MLton version has array-bound check enabled and
> used the two-line high order function version of hconvolve.

You might also try an FFT-based convolution if your filter is dense.

> So the moral of the story: To use Ocaml for numerically intensive
> work, code in C style in the inner loops.

Absolutely.

> This brings me to the next question: is there any plan to implement
> type specialization optimization for ocamlopt? For numerics, this is
> really crucial if you want write both in an elegant functional style
> and get good performance. Also, I remember reading somewhere that the
> current code base of Ocaml is ill-suited for implementing this kind of
> optimization. May I ask what exactly needs to be done to the current
> code base in order to support that? I have some compiler-writing
> background and this sounds like an interesting project to work in my
> past time.

Writing OCaml programs that generate OCaml programs is by far your best bet 
here. We use a replacement standard library that uses autogenerated code to 
eliminate boxing and perform unrolling and type specialization where 
possible.

As I can autogenerate my code, I would much rather the OCaml developers 
concentrated on things that I cannot get around, like the lack of a 32-bit 
float storage type and a more efficient internal representation of complex 
numbers.

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
OCaml for Scientists
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists/?e


  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-31  6:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-31  5:50 Yuanchen Zhu
2007-05-31  6:17 ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2007-05-31  6:32   ` [Caml-list] " skaller
2007-05-31  7:31   ` Yuanchen Zhu
2007-05-31  9:08     ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-31  9:22       ` Yuanchen Zhu
2007-05-31 10:27         ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-31 21:30           ` Alain Frisch
2007-06-01  1:22             ` skaller
2007-06-01  1:36               ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2007-06-01  2:21                 ` skaller
2007-06-01  2:49                   ` Erick Tryzelaar
2007-06-01  3:05                     ` skaller
2007-06-01  5:30               ` Alain Frisch
2007-06-01  5:39                 ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-01  6:36                   ` Yuanchen Zhu
2007-06-01  8:09                 ` skaller
2007-06-01  8:53                   ` Richard Jones
2007-06-01  8:59                     ` Richard Jones
2007-06-01  9:22                       ` Stephan Tolksdorf
2007-06-01  9:49                         ` Richard Jones
2007-06-01  9:32                       ` Stephan Tolksdorf
2007-06-01 10:02                     ` skaller
2007-06-01 11:29                 ` Yaron Minsky
2007-06-01 11:43                   ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2007-06-01 11:58                     ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-01 13:49                       ` Julien Signoles
2007-06-01 14:18                         ` Stephen Weeks
2007-06-01 14:43                           ` Julien Signoles
2007-06-01 14:57                           ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-01 15:40                             ` Alain Frisch
2007-06-01 15:58                               ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-01 16:25                                 ` Markus Mottl
2007-06-01 16:47                               ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-01 23:26                             ` skaller
2007-06-01 23:49                               ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-02  3:26                                 ` skaller
2007-06-01 12:40                     ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2007-06-01 13:56                       ` Julien Signoles
2007-06-01 11:49                   ` David MENTRE
2007-06-01 14:41                     ` skaller
2007-06-01 16:52                       ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-01 23:33                         ` skaller
2007-06-01 16:14                     ` Markus Mottl
2007-06-01 16:46                       ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-01 17:13                       ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-04 14:03                         ` Mike Furr
2007-06-04 14:39                           ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-04 15:33                             ` Mike Furr
2007-06-04 18:08                             ` skaller
     [not found]                               ` <9d3ec8300706041518y115d22bdsa120d4010261d841@mail.gmail.com>
2007-06-04 22:19                                 ` Fwd: " Till Varoquaux
2007-06-04 23:40                                   ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-05  2:24                                   ` skaller
2007-06-04 22:44                               ` Pierre Etchemaïté
2007-06-05  1:42                                 ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-05 10:30                                   ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-10 12:10                           ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-10 12:58                             ` skaller
2007-06-01 14:15                 ` Stephen Weeks
2007-06-01 14:37                   ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-01 14:39                   ` Eric Cooper
2007-05-31  9:24       ` Yuanchen Zhu
2007-05-31 10:25       ` Loup Vaillant
2007-05-31 10:30         ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-31 12:12     ` skaller
2007-05-31  7:11 ` Daniel Bünzli
2007-05-31 15:15 ` Christophe Raffalli
2007-05-31 15:23   ` Jon Harrop
2007-05-31 15:35     ` Christophe Raffalli
     [not found]       ` <604682010705310923o5a1ee0eiee5ae697da9d3c60@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-31 20:14         ` Stephen Weeks
2007-05-31 15:16 ` Christophe Raffalli

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