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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: thousands of CPU cores
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:35:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807102235.52882.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1215724745.24773.37.camel@flake.lan.gerd-stolpmann.de>

On Thursday 10 July 2008 22:19:05 Gerd Stolpmann wrote:
> After having ported godi to mingw I am not sure whether this works at
> all. The point is that you usually want to inherit OS resources to the
> child process (e.g. sockets). The CreateProcess Win32 call
> (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682425(VS.85).aspx) mentions
> that you can inherit handles, but I would be careful with the
> information given in MSDN. Often it works only as far as the presented
> examples. Windows isn't written for multi-processing, and its syscalls
> aren't as orthogonal as in Unix-type systems.
>
> Furthermore, it looks like a pain in the ass - often you want to run
> some initialization code, and without fork() you have to run it as often
> as you start processes.
>
> Also, Windows is just a bad platform for event-based programs, and you
> want to do it to some extent (e.g. for watching all your child
> processes). Only for socket handles there is a select() call. For all
> other types of handles you cannot find out in advance whether the
> operation would block or not.
>
> So... if there is any chance you can select the OS, keep away from
> Windows for this type of program.

I think your conclusion needs qualification.

You are trying to shoehorn an existing process-based Linux solution onto 
Windows and discovering that it does not work well. However, Windows already 
provides different ways of achieving the same thing, e.g. F# with its 
first-class events and built-in asynchronous programming syntax using 
the .NET thread pool and mailboxes for message passing.

Moreover, the idiomatic solution on Windows is almost certainly faster than 
anything you can reasonably write under Linux in the absence of a concurrent 
GC (i.e. off the JVM).

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?e


  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-10 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-10  5:57 J C
2008-07-10  6:15 ` [Caml-list] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2008-07-10 12:47   ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 13:48     ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2008-07-10 11:35 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 11:32   ` J C
2008-07-14 12:08     ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 17:04       ` Mike Lin
2008-07-14 17:28         ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 17:16       ` Richard Jones
2008-07-10 13:21 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 13:44 ` Peng Zang
2008-07-10 14:00   ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 22:25     ` Richard Jones
2008-07-10 23:04       ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 23:41         ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11  0:17           ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11  9:30             ` Richard Jones
2008-09-21 19:05               ` Michaël Grünewald
2008-09-21 21:41                 ` Jon Harrop
2008-09-22  7:51                   ` Alan Schmitt
2008-09-22 19:03                     ` Jon Harrop
2008-09-22 19:49                       ` David Teller
2008-09-23  6:42                       ` kirillkh
2008-09-24 13:30                       ` [Caml-list] Link tracking Chris Clearwater
2008-09-24 15:43                         ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 14:53     ` [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores Peng Zang
2008-07-15 14:39     ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-19 12:41       ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 19:15 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 20:07   ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-10 20:24     ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 21:02       ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-10 21:19         ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 21:35           ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2008-07-10 22:39             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-15 15:57           ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-15 18:03             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-15 19:23               ` Adrien
2008-07-15 19:45                 ` Adrien
2008-07-16  8:59               ` Michaël Grünewald
2008-07-16 16:43                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-16 11:46               ` Richard Jones
2008-07-16 18:35                 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2008-07-17 12:48               ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-15 15:21       ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-10 20:48     ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2008-07-10 21:12       ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 23:33   ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 23:43     ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11  6:26     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-11  8:50       ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2008-07-11  9:29         ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-15 16:01           ` [Caml-list] " Kuba Ober
2008-07-13  3:17         ` Code Mobility [was Re: thousands of CPU cores] Robert Fischer
2008-07-11  3:01   ` [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores Brian Hurt
2008-07-11 13:01     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-11 13:43       ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 14:03         ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2008-07-11 15:08           ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 17:28           ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 17:54         ` Richard Jones
2008-07-11 18:30           ` Raoul Duke
2008-07-12 17:35       ` Brian Hurt
2008-07-11 15:01     ` Peng Zang
2008-07-12  0:23       ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-12 22:54         ` J C
2008-07-19 12:06           ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 14:06 ` Xavier Leroy
2008-07-11 15:20   ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 15:23   ` Bill
2008-07-11 18:14   ` Mattias Engdegård
2008-07-12 23:05   ` J C
2008-07-10 23:24 [Caml-list] " Damien Guichard

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