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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:43:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807111443.53853.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1215781305.28798.19.camel@flake.lan.gerd-stolpmann.de>

On Friday 11 July 2008 14:01:45 Gerd Stolpmann wrote:
> In the past, it was very important for hardware vendors that existing
> software runs quicker on new CPU generations. This is no longer true for
> multicore. So unless there is a software revolution that makes it simple
> to exploit multicore, we won't see 1024-cores for the masses.

That revolution happened several years ago when everyone migrated to the JVM 
and CLR and their concurrent GCs made it easy to exploit multicores.

Ironically, given the hype surrounding functional programming for parallelism, 
all open source FPLs were left behind. On Linux, even the future prospects 
are bleak: no tail calls on the JVM, prohibitively difficult to implement an 
efficient concurrent GC yourself and Mono is going nowhere.

> Well, there is a another option for the chip industry. Instead of
> keeping the die at some size and packing more and more cores on it, they
> can also sell smaller chips for less. Basically, this alternate path
> already exists (e.g. Intel's Atom). Of course, this makes this industry
> more boring, and they would turn into more normal industrial component
> suppliers.

Other factors are certainly playing an increasingly important role. ARM cores 
are now outselling Intel and AMD thanks to an exploding embedded market. ARM 
CPUs found their way into ultramobiles and are now moving up into laptops. 
Microsoft are supporting ARM-based Windows and .NET.

However, even ARM recently went multicore and their GHz quadcore Cortex-A8 
with integrated nVidia graphics is going into mobile phones. By the end of 
this year, OCaml will not even be able to tap the power of my mobile phone...

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?e


  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-11 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-10  5:57 J C
2008-07-10  6:15 ` [Caml-list] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2008-07-10 12:47   ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 13:48     ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2008-07-10 11:35 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 11:32   ` J C
2008-07-14 12:08     ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 17:04       ` Mike Lin
2008-07-14 17:28         ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 17:16       ` Richard Jones
2008-07-10 13:21 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 13:44 ` Peng Zang
2008-07-10 14:00   ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 22:25     ` Richard Jones
2008-07-10 23:04       ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 23:41         ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11  0:17           ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11  9:30             ` Richard Jones
2008-09-21 19:05               ` Michaël Grünewald
2008-09-21 21:41                 ` Jon Harrop
2008-09-22  7:51                   ` Alan Schmitt
2008-09-22 19:03                     ` Jon Harrop
2008-09-22 19:49                       ` David Teller
2008-09-23  6:42                       ` kirillkh
2008-09-24 13:30                       ` [Caml-list] Link tracking Chris Clearwater
2008-09-24 15:43                         ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 14:53     ` [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores Peng Zang
2008-07-15 14:39     ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-19 12:41       ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 19:15 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 20:07   ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-10 20:24     ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 21:02       ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-10 21:19         ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 21:35           ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 22:39             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-15 15:57           ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-15 18:03             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-15 19:23               ` Adrien
2008-07-15 19:45                 ` Adrien
2008-07-16  8:59               ` Michaël Grünewald
2008-07-16 16:43                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-16 11:46               ` Richard Jones
2008-07-16 18:35                 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2008-07-17 12:48               ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-15 15:21       ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-10 20:48     ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2008-07-10 21:12       ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 23:33   ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 23:43     ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11  6:26     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-11  8:50       ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2008-07-11  9:29         ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-15 16:01           ` [Caml-list] " Kuba Ober
2008-07-13  3:17         ` Code Mobility [was Re: thousands of CPU cores] Robert Fischer
2008-07-11  3:01   ` [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores Brian Hurt
2008-07-11 13:01     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-11 13:43       ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2008-07-11 14:03         ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2008-07-11 15:08           ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 17:28           ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 17:54         ` Richard Jones
2008-07-11 18:30           ` Raoul Duke
2008-07-12 17:35       ` Brian Hurt
2008-07-11 15:01     ` Peng Zang
2008-07-12  0:23       ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-12 22:54         ` J C
2008-07-19 12:06           ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 14:06 ` Xavier Leroy
2008-07-11 15:20   ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 15:23   ` Bill
2008-07-11 18:14   ` Mattias Engdegård
2008-07-12 23:05   ` J C

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