From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_FAIL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7405BBAF for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:19:37 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAICIikhQRFuw/2dsb2JhbACuEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,255,1215381600"; d="scan'208";a="13475760" Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2008 11:19:37 +0200 Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6Q9JbSA031796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:19:37 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAICIikhQRFuw/2dsb2JhbACuEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,255,1215381600"; d="scan'208";a="13475759" Received: from furbychan.cocan.org ([80.68.91.176]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 26 Jul 2008 11:19:37 +0200 Received: from rich by furbychan.cocan.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KMfw8-00077E-0D; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:19:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:19:35 +0100 To: hmf@inescporto.pt Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] New Ocaml Plug-in for NetBeans Message-ID: <20080726091935.GC24428@annexia.org> References: <1217062966.488ae8367f0d2@webmail.inescporto.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1217062966.488ae8367f0d2@webmail.inescporto.pt> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Richard Jones X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 488AEC29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 0100,:01 emacs:01 emacs:01 autoconf:01 libtool:01 plug-in:98 26,:98 hover:98 wrote:01 unix:01 unix:01 caml-list:01 expression:02 ides:02 On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:02:46AM +0100, hmf@inescporto.pt wrote: > In fact mastering emacs, vi, etc. with all those "modes" also > requires a lot of work. You miss the point that most Unix programmers already know emacs or vi intimately. I use emacs constantly -- even for writing this very email, and I have been using emacs for nearly 20 years. No "mastering" is needed. I've used IDEs a bit, but never particularly saw the point. They seem to just obscure the workings of the build process, and break the editor, for no tangible gain. Emacs can already print the type of an expression when you hover over it, and can autocomplete symbols. I've to find an IDE that can edit email. There are many problems with the Unix build process -- eg. the horrors of autoconf/automake/libtool, and possibly better integration with packaging. Lack of an all-in-one graphical tool is not exactly high on anyone's list. Rich. -- Richard Jones Red Hat