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From: Richard Jones <rich@annexia.org>
To: Robert Morelli <morelli@flux.utah.edu>
Cc: Thomas Gazagnaire <ocaml@gazagnaire.com>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] What does Jane Street use/want for an IDE? What about you?
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:15:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081020201522.GA13893@annexia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FCA79E.7090607@flux.utah.edu>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 09:45:34AM -0600, Robert Morelli wrote:
> What Emacs lisp does wrong is virtually a checklist of bad programming 
> language design. On the
> other hand, these are all of the things languages like OCaml do right.

It'd be interesting to hear[1] what exact features of elisp are
counterproductive for large-scale collaborative programming.

I've not looked very closely at elisp, but assumed the reason that
emacs remains "unconfigurable" for most users is because it's Lisp,
not because of the particular dialect of Lisp.  Most programmers look
at Lisp and run a mile, and I don't think an OCaml editor will fare
much better if that is the case.

FWIW microemacs[2] used a C-like language for configuration and
extension, and this language was almost laughably incapable of doing
the most basic things.  You'd think that a language designed for an
editor would, you know, be able to handle at least strings properly,
but the microemacs programming language couldn't even do that.
Nevertheless at the electronics laboratory where I started out,
electrical engineers (totally unused/untrained as programmers) wrote
huge macros and extensions in this horrible language.

Rich.

[1] Here or in a blog posting ...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microemacs

-- 
Richard Jones
Red Hat


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-20 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-20 13:19 Kuba Ober
2008-10-20 13:37 ` [Caml-list] " Mark Shinwell
2008-10-20 14:05   ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2008-10-20 15:45     ` Robert Morelli
2008-10-20 15:56       ` David Teller
2008-10-20 17:15         ` Yitzhak Mandelbaum
2008-10-20 20:51           ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-10-21 13:04         ` Jean-Marie Gaillourdet
2008-10-20 20:15       ` Richard Jones [this message]
2008-10-20 20:32         ` Kuba Ober
2008-10-20 23:02         ` Robert Morelli
2008-10-21  2:22           ` Peng Zang
2008-10-21 16:57           ` Christian Stork
2008-10-21 12:16       ` tags (Was: [Caml-list] What does Jane Street use/want for an IDE? What about you?) Florian Hars
2008-10-20 20:16     ` [Caml-list] What does Jane Street use/want for an IDE? What about you? Kuba Ober
2008-10-20 14:33   ` Andres Varon
2008-10-20 19:54     ` Peng Zang
2008-10-20 14:47 ` Martin Jambon
2008-10-20 20:14   ` Kuba Ober
2008-10-21 13:14 ` Dmitry Bely
2008-10-21 13:50   ` Hugo Ferreira
2008-10-21 18:35     ` Kuba Ober
2008-10-21 19:31       ` Till Varoquaux
2008-10-21 20:26         ` Philippe Strauss
2008-10-22 12:42           ` Kuba Ober
2008-10-22 21:56             ` David Teller
2008-10-22 22:39               ` David Teller
2008-10-23  7:47             ` Hugo Ferreira
2008-10-23  8:27               ` Romain Bardou
2008-10-23 10:13                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2008-10-23 11:01                   ` Hugo Ferreira
2008-10-23 14:13                     ` Vincent Hanquez
2008-10-23 14:43                       ` Romain Bardou
2008-10-23 15:22                         ` Dave Benjamin
2008-10-25 10:14                           ` DooMeeR
2008-10-25 12:05                             ` Jacques Garrigue
2008-10-25 12:43                             ` Martin Jambon
2008-10-25 13:22                               ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-10-25 23:08                                 ` Indentation (was Re: [Caml-list] What does Jane Street use/want for an IDE? What about you?) Martin Jambon
2008-10-26 16:23                                   ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-10-26 19:41                                     ` Martin Jambon
2008-10-23 17:20                       ` [Caml-list] What does Jane Street use/want for an IDE? What about you? Kuba Ober
2008-10-23 17:17               ` Kuba Ober
2008-10-23  0:22         ` Peng Zang
     [not found] ` <200810221330.11103.ober.14@osu.edu>
     [not found]   ` <D3D47C54-888B-4F14-9C5D-79FF3D9F96D6@gmail.com>
2008-10-23 17:13     ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-01  1:41 ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-03 14:15   ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-03 23:11     ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-04 18:35       ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-04 23:36         ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-04 23:06           ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05  5:48             ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-05  8:53               ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-11-05 15:01                 ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-05 15:05                   ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05 16:56                     ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-05 14:58               ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05 15:20               ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05 16:39                 ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-05 15:55                   ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05 17:08                     ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-05 17:36                       ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-15 13:02                 ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-15 12:25                   ` Richard Jones
2008-11-15 20:41                     ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-16 12:04                       ` Florent Monnier
2008-11-05  8:39           ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-11-05 15:44             ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05 17:03               ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-05 16:41                 ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05 16:46             ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-05 16:33           ` Jérémie Dimino
2008-11-05 16:43             ` Kuba Ober
2008-11-05 17:41             ` Jon Harrop
2008-10-23 13:53 Baudet David
2008-10-24  7:17 ` Maxence Guesdon

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