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From: Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@upsilon.cc>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Wanted: your feedback on the hierarchy of OCaml Batteries Included
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:36:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081119133652.GB1646@usha.takhisis.invalid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <421532A1-E2CA-404F-8387-E11DA9B3DE79@erratique.ch>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:34:28PM +0100, Daniel Bünzli wrote:
>> For example I prefer using the least amount of opening of modules, to 
>> make it easier to see where the values come from
> Same here. This is why I'm a little bit sceptical about this hierarchy.

Well, the problem of not knowing where a value comes from is more a
tool problem, than an argument against hierarchies. The compiler knows
where a value comes from, it is only hard to get this information
back. IIRC one of this year OSP addressed precisely that problem.

> Besides Hierarchies are anyway limited in their descriptive power
> and one day you'll find something that will fit in two places, Rope
> is already an example being both Data.Persistent and Data.Text.

Yes, but that's not a good reason to give up hierarchies
completely. The advantage of hierarchies is to have less top-level
roots, which reduce the likelihood of clashes with external
libraries. Even though in some cases you might need to choose among
two different places, it is rarely the case in practice.

Also remember that the Batteries hierarchy was not meant to allocate
*all* existing libraries into a common hierarchy, that interpretation
came from Rich's comment. So the real question is, according to what
you currently see in the hierarchy, do you like it or not? Do you
something placed in weird places?

Cheers.

-- 
Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7
zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/
Dietro un grande uomo c'è ..|  .  |. Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie
sempre uno zaino ...........| ..: |.... Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-19 13:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-18  9:56 David Teller
2008-11-18 10:06 ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2008-11-18 10:21   ` Zheng Li
2008-11-18 11:22     ` David Teller
2008-11-18 12:52       ` Zheng Li
2008-11-18 14:10       ` [Caml-list] " Alain Frisch
2008-11-18 14:19         ` David Teller
2008-11-19  3:06         ` Yaron Minsky
2008-11-19  3:47           ` Till Varoquaux
2008-11-19 10:57           ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-19 18:05             ` Stéphane Glondu
2008-11-20  0:14               ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-18 10:29   ` [Caml-list] " Erkki Seppala
2008-11-18 11:34     ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-11-18 11:47       ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2008-11-18 12:15       ` David Teller
2008-11-18 12:32         ` Richard Jones
2008-11-18 12:56           ` David Teller
2008-11-19 13:38           ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-19 17:37             ` Richard Jones
2008-11-23 10:32               ` Stefano Zacchiroli
     [not found]         ` <9b415f950811180428x2de94a64q6fa92887f8e00705@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-18 12:51           ` David Teller
2008-12-19 11:00             ` Benedikt Grundmann
2009-01-05 10:40               ` David Teller
2008-11-18 13:24         ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-11-18 14:46           ` David Teller
2008-11-18 12:40       ` David Teller
2008-11-18 13:31         ` Dario Teixeira
2008-11-18 14:23           ` David Teller
2008-11-18 14:40             ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-19 13:36       ` Stefano Zacchiroli [this message]
2008-11-19 14:28         ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-11-19 14:45           ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-11-21 12:37     ` Michaël Le Barbier
2008-11-18 11:17   ` David Teller
2008-11-18 12:22     ` Richard Jones
2008-11-18 12:49       ` David Teller
2008-11-18 15:20         ` Richard Jones
2008-11-18 18:17   ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-18 17:51     ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-11-18 22:43       ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-18 18:59     ` Richard Jones
2008-11-18 20:17       ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-18 19:22         ` Richard Jones
2008-11-18 19:50           ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-11-18 21:50             ` Richard Jones
2008-11-19 13:48               ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-19 19:02                 ` Stéphane Glondu
2008-11-18 22:07     ` Alain Frisch
2008-11-18 23:49       ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-18 23:13         ` Alain Frisch
2008-11-19 13:28   ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-18 23:30 ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-19  6:29   ` David Teller
2008-11-19  8:36     ` Jon Harrop
2008-11-19  9:46     ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-11-19 20:11       ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-11-20  9:28         ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-11-20 10:33           ` Richard Jones
2008-11-20 10:49             ` open Module (not?) considered harmful Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-20 11:29               ` [Caml-list] " David Allsopp
2008-11-20 11:48                 ` Richard Jones
2008-11-20 17:56                   ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-20 13:01                 ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-11-20 13:41                   ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-11-20 16:44                     ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-21  2:56                       ` Stability of exceptions Eliot Handelman
2008-11-21  7:39                         ` [Caml-list] " Daniel Bünzli
2008-11-21  9:52                         ` Christophe TROESTLER
2008-11-20 14:46                 ` [Caml-list] open Module (not?) considered harmful Ashish Agarwal
2008-11-20 17:54                 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-20 11:31               ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-11-23 10:36                 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-20 11:41               ` Richard Jones
2008-11-23 10:38                 ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-11-23 11:01                   ` Richard Jones
2008-11-20 12:58             ` [Caml-list] Wanted: your feedback on the hierarchy of OCaml Batteries Included Nicolas Pouillard
2008-11-20 21:12 ` David Teller
2008-11-20 23:18   ` Daniel Bünzli
2008-11-21  9:34     ` David Teller

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