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From: Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] More Caml
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:59:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200812230959.24662.jon@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200812230607.37399.jon@ffconsultancy.com>

On Tuesday 23 December 2008 06:07:37 Jon Harrop wrote:
> Yes. I'll do a bit more work on it and then tidy it up and document it
> before uploading it, unless there is any great interest from people now.

Incidentally, I would like to know what performance issues (good and bad) 
people have with the current OCaml implementation?

AFAICT, OCaml evolved from a family of languages that were only optimized for 
symbolic processing. Some of OCaml's relatives, like PolyML, were able to 
provide even faster symbolic processing than naive C but their numerical 
performance is 100x worse. These heavily-skewed performance characteristics 
rendered many ML implementations domain specific.

I believe OCaml was the first ML to put an unusual amount of effort into 
optimizing other aspects, most notably high performance floating-point 
arithmetic and float arrays (where OCaml still thrashes SML/NJ and MLton). 
Moreover, I think OCaml became the world's favourite ML precisely because of 
this diversity.

I am just looking at the simplest possible GC implementations, like shadow 
stack, and trying to envisage an ML implementation that puts a lot more 
effort into numerics and string processing and a lot less effort into 
symbolics. I am guessing the performance of allocation will be degraded 
10-100x but many allocations can be removed. This leaves me wondering how 
much slowdown is acceptable without deterring a lot of users?

Anyway, I'll try to implement a simple GC and get some concrete performance 
results first...

-- 
Dr Jon Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/?e


  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-23  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-19 13:04 More cores Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
2008-12-19 14:04 ` [Caml-list] " Dario Teixeira
2008-12-19 15:06   ` Alexy Khrabrov
2008-12-19 15:54     ` The Axis of Eval (was: More cores) Dario Teixeira
2008-12-19 16:26       ` [Caml-list] " Paolo Donadeo
2008-12-19 17:01       ` Dario Teixeira
2008-12-19 18:01         ` Christophe Raffalli
2008-12-19 18:50     ` [Caml-list] More cores Ulf Wiger (TN/EAB)
2008-12-19 19:10   ` Richard Jones
2008-12-19 22:31   ` Jon Harrop
2008-12-19 22:36     ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2008-12-19 22:53       ` Jon Harrop
2008-12-22 17:00         ` [Caml-list] More Caml Jon Harrop
2008-12-22 21:44           ` Richard Jones
2008-12-23  6:07             ` Jon Harrop
2008-12-23  9:59               ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2008-12-23 15:32                 ` Ashish Agarwal
2008-12-23 17:33                   ` Jon Harrop
2008-12-24 13:12                 ` Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
2008-12-24 16:47                   ` Jon Harrop
2008-12-23 10:04               ` Richard Jones
2008-12-23 10:38                 ` Jon Harrop
2008-12-23  9:43           ` Oliver Bandel
2008-12-23 11:53             ` Jon Harrop
2008-12-19 22:42     ` [Caml-list] More cores Richard Jones
2008-12-20 19:33     ` Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
2008-12-20 19:41       ` Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
2008-12-19 20:37 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-12-19 21:27   ` Richard Jones
2008-12-19 22:03     ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2008-12-19 22:47       ` Richard Jones
2008-12-19 23:00         ` Alexy Khrabrov
2008-12-19 23:56         ` prelude.ml as another standard extension to Pervasives? Alexy Khrabrov
2008-12-20  1:40           ` [Caml-list] " Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
2008-12-20  4:50             ` Alexy Khrabrov
2008-12-20 10:53               ` Zheng Li
2008-12-20 12:37         ` [Caml-list] More cores Richard Jones

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