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To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: RE: [Caml-list] about OcamIL
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:53:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100517095327.14271x0lnao43sao@imp.ovh.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01f001caf536$c923b4c0$5b6b1e40$@com>

Jon Harrop <jonathandeanharrop@googlemail.com> a écrit :

> Xavier Clerc:
>> Le 14 mai 2010 à 12:40, Jon Harrop a écrit :
>> > Xavier Clerc wrote:
>> >> Limiting myself to the JVM...
>> >> Moreover, at least Scala and Bigloo deliver excellent performances.
>> >
>> > I have benchmarks where the JVM is well over 10x slower than .NET. So
>> > I do not regard any JVM-based language as "high performance".
>>
>> Quite ironically, by scratching the surface, one would discover that
>> both quoted projects can also target .NET (not tested that though).
>
> Does Bigloo.NET support value types? Does Scala.NET use .NET (2.0) generics?
> Not AFAICT. Name dropping them in the context of "high performance" language
> implementations is more than a little bit silly...

First off, public insult seems quite superfluous.
We should be able to handle a heated debate without resorting to that.

And I still wait for a clear statement of your level for "high performance",
and references to benchmarks that back up your claims in this thread.
As you seem to come from an academic background, I expect facts
and references, and not ad hominem attacks and fuzzy unbacked claims.
Unless you show that neither Bigloo nor Scala meet your (to be defined)
criteria for "high performance", my counterexamples still stand.

It may just end up that we have different perceptions of "high performance",
and of the trade-offs we are going to make in our language / platform choices.


Regards,

Xavier Clerc


  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-17  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-05 12:06 ben kuin
2010-05-05 14:19 ` [Caml-list] " Alain Frisch
     [not found]   ` <i2sc0c8bc8b1005051446q34b07d37xc4021d2b4b23d4e2@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <4BE28085.5090100@lexifi.com>
2010-05-06 10:59       ` ben kuin
2010-05-05 18:58 ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-05 19:16   ` Ed Keith
2010-05-05 20:15     ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-05 22:13     ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-05 22:36       ` ben kuin
2010-05-05 23:13         ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-06 10:45           ` ben kuin
2010-05-06 14:38         ` Tim Hanson
2010-05-05 22:18     ` ben kuin
2010-05-06 11:13       ` Ed Keith
2010-05-06 10:43     ` Dmitry Bely
2010-05-06 16:33       ` Peng Zang
2010-05-07  7:26         ` Dmitry Bely
2010-05-07  8:25           ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-05-10 21:53         ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-05-11 11:22           ` ben kuin
2010-05-11 16:39             ` Peng Zang
2010-05-11 17:35               ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-11 23:47               ` ben kuin
2010-05-12  1:57                 ` Peng Zang
2010-05-12 11:56               ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-11 17:38             ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-12 12:28             ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-12 13:11               ` forum
2010-05-14 10:40                 ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-14 10:58                   ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-14 11:51                     ` forum
2010-05-14 11:51                   ` forum
2010-05-16 20:31                     ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-17  7:53                       ` forum [this message]
2010-05-19  0:17                         ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-19  7:46                           ` forum
2010-05-19 11:29                             ` Michael Ekstrand
2010-05-19 13:27                               ` [Caml-list] " Eray Ozkural
2010-05-19 13:35                                 ` David Allsopp
2010-05-19 15:23                                   ` Erick Tryzelaar
2010-05-19 16:49                                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-19 16:48                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-20  2:03                             ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-05-14 13:55                   ` Ed Keith
2010-05-14 15:17                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-14 16:26                     ` ben kuin
2010-05-14 16:32                       ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-14 20:08                         ` ben kuin
2010-05-14 21:28                           ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-05-14 21:29                             ` [Caml-list] " Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-14 23:51                             ` ben kuin
2010-05-15  0:48                           ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-05-14 18:11                       ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-14 18:59                         ` ben kuin
     [not found]                           ` <AANLkTik-EuZRmX8VKMdAIsO_t8JGHvS6F9TPVLkohed8@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-14 21:42                             ` Fwd: " Raoul Duke
2010-05-14 21:47                               ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-14 21:57                                 ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-15  0:16                                 ` ben kuin
2010-05-15  0:43                                   ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-15  2:16                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15 21:27                                       ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-16  3:19                                         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15  9:45                                     ` ben kuin
2010-05-15 12:07                                       ` Ed Keith
2010-05-15 12:17                                       ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-15 13:21                                         ` ben kuin
2010-05-15 22:18                                           ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-15 23:39                                             ` ben kuin
2010-05-16  3:23                                             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15 13:23                                       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15 21:45                                       ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-15 21:44                               ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-15 22:25                                 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-16  2:04                                   ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-16  3:20                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-16 17:50                                     ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-16 19:15                                       ` ben kuin
2010-05-05 21:59   ` ben kuin

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