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From: Jeff Schultz <jws@csse.unimelb.edu.au>
To: Oliver Bandel <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Is OCaml fast?
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:55:31 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101122235531.GA12662@mulga.csse.unimelb.edu.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101122182338.3867381u5h2p4f8a@webmail.in-berlin.de>

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:23:38PM +0100, Oliver Bandel wrote:
> ...looks like they are biased...

> .... not that we are not ;)

> To reject environment variables, I can see as acceptable in this case,
> but rejecting the GC-stuff does not make sense, because, as just mentioned, 
> it is avalable by the programmer from within the code.

I haven't looked at the "benchmark game" or its predecessor for many
years, but all this really says is that the programs it measures are
sufficiently unlike real applications that the OCaml developers
haven't been tempted to tune the GC defaults for them.

The conclusion to draw would be that the shootout results are a
poor, and probably misleading, evidence base for selecting a
programming language for execution time performance.  Measured
programming language implementation performance gets faster or
slower over the years due to its own rule changes and language and
library implementation changes, but I doubt that this conclusion
changes much ;-)


The one thing the shootout programs are useful for is to get a feel
for a variety of different languages' expressivity for a common set
of "small" problems.


    Jeff Schultz


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-22 23:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-22 13:21 Thanassis Tsiodras
2010-11-22 13:35 ` [Caml-list] " Gregory Bellier
2010-11-22 13:39   ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2010-11-22 13:42   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2010-11-22 13:43 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-11-22 13:55 ` [Caml-list] " Dario Teixeira
2010-11-23  2:11   ` Isaac Gouy
     [not found]   ` <999386690.746882.1290478813177.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-23  9:12     ` [Caml-list] " Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-23 17:56       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:54         ` [Caml-list] " Mark Diekhans
2010-11-23 20:04           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 22:56   ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-23 23:54     ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-24  1:24       ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-11-25 11:17         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-22 14:04 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-22 14:22   ` [was: Re: Is OCaml fast?] OCaml Shootout task force Sylvain Le Gall
2010-11-22 14:36   ` [Caml-list] Is OCaml fast? bluestorm
2010-11-22 15:01     ` Török Edwin
2010-11-22 15:54       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-11-22 15:02     ` Gerd Stolpmann
     [not found]     ` <582306206.731582.1290438133628.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-22 16:46       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-22 18:33         ` Török Edwin
2010-11-27 21:11           ` Pierre Etchemaïté
2010-11-28 13:26             ` OCaml GC [was Is OCaml fast?] Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-28 14:29               ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-28 18:57                 ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-28 19:40                   ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-28 19:59                     ` Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-28 23:34                       ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-29 12:11                         ` Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-29 22:27                 ` Török Edwin
     [not found]                 ` <916556265.243293.1291069665032.JavaMail.root@zmbs1.inria.fr>
2010-12-02 12:57                   ` Damien Doligez
2010-12-02 15:07                     ` Török Edwin
2010-12-03 21:42                       ` [Caml-list] optimizing caml_modify [was OCaml GC [was Is OCaml fast?]] ygrek
2010-11-23  2:03     ` Is OCaml fast? Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 10:37       ` [Caml-list] " Christophe TROESTLER
2010-11-23 15:50         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 18:06           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 21:34             ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 16:08         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 18:03           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:14             ` [Caml-list] " Török Edwin
2010-11-23 20:17               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 21:14             ` [Caml-list] " Christophe TROESTLER
2010-11-23 21:55               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 22:25             ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2010-11-24  0:11               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 17:53         ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:24           ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-23 20:28             ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 20:55               ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-23 21:32                 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 22:28             ` [Caml-list] " Goswin von Brederlow
2010-11-23 23:21           ` evil sloot
2010-11-24  6:54             ` [Caml-list] " David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 17:02   ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2010-11-22 17:08     ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 17:23       ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-22 17:54         ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 23:55         ` Jeff Schultz [this message]
2010-11-22 23:28       ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-23  2:01       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 23:27         ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-24  0:23           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  1:36             ` [Caml-list] " Eray Ozkural
2010-11-24  2:13               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  4:39                 ` [Caml-list] " Jeff Meister
2010-11-24  6:22                   ` Andrew
2010-11-24  7:16                     ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  6:50                   ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 10:24                     ` [Caml-list] " Christophe Troestler
2010-11-24 11:33                       ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-24 17:32                       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 17:57                         ` [Caml-list] " Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-24 19:07                         ` Ed Keith
2010-11-24 19:13                           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 19:17                             ` [Caml-list] " David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-24 22:25                               ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-25 16:59                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-25 18:21                     ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-25 22:11                     ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
     [not found]                     ` <1534555381.33107.1290723160355.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-25 22:50                       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-26 20:25                         ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-27 18:55                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-28 18:14                         ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-29 14:19                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-29 16:12                             ` Threading and SharedMem (Re: [Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?) Oliver Bandel
2010-11-29 16:24                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-29 16:33                                 ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-27 15:58                     ` [Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast? Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-28 18:17                       ` oliver
2010-11-29  7:33                         ` Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-29 11:25                           ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-29 11:44                             ` oliver
2010-11-29 17:29                               ` Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-24  6:55               ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-24  7:23                 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23  2:06   ` Isaac Gouy
     [not found] ` <1110536178.728445.1290434684177.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-22 16:39   ` [Caml-list] " Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-22 17:21     ` Philippe Strauss
2010-11-22 18:33 ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-23  1:58 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 10:29 ` [Caml-list] " David Allsopp
2010-11-24 18:39   ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 20:59     ` [Caml-list] " David Allsopp
2010-11-25  0:16       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 14:07 ` [Caml-list] " Cedric Cellier
2010-11-24 14:34 ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-11-24 15:30   ` Thanassis Tsiodras
2010-11-24 16:26     ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-24 16:27     ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-11-24 18:16 ` Isaac Gouy

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