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From: "Richard W.M. Jones" <rich@annexia.org>
To: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
Cc: Hugo Ferreira <hmf@inescporto.pt>,
	Martin Jambon <martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org>,
	caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Efficient OCaml multicore -- roadmap?
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:31:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110326103149.GA7467@annexia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1301084818.8429.435.camel@thinkpad>


Obligatory pointer to Uli Drepper's series about what every programmer
should know about memory.  Part 1 is here, and parts 2-9 are linked to
at the end of the article just before the comments:

http://lwn.net/Articles/250967/

To expand on what I said before:

The sort of high end hardware we're seeing now has 128 cores and
hundreds of gigabytes or even a terabyte of non-uniform RAM.

The cores are grouped into NUMA nodes with each node having its own
attached memory, southbridge and hardware (network ports etc) -- in
effect separate computers interconnected with some very fast and very
specialized "network" channels that exist but are invisible to the
programmer.

If you 'cross' a node boundary, eg. by having a program or its data
located in the memory in one node and running on a core in another
node, then you suffer some penalty (10-40% directly, plus a lot of
hard-to-measure indirect costs from consuming channel resources
between nodes).

Obviously we try hard to schedule things and to pin processes, virtual
machines and so on so that this never happens.

Having said the above, even straight SMP isn't very uniform.  You've
still got to take into account caches and cache consistency (which at
the hardware level is message passing or bus snooping).

Rich.

-- 
Richard Jones
Red Hat

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-26 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2011-03-24 23:13 ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25  0:23   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2011-03-25  9:55   ` [Caml-list] " Alain Frisch
2011-03-25 11:44     ` Gerd Stolpmann
     [not found]   ` <1396338209.232813.1301046980856.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-25 10:23     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 12:07       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-16 12:12         ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 10:51   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 12:25     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-25 12:58       ` Hugo Ferreira
     [not found]       ` <341494683.237537.1301057887481.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-25 13:10         ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 13:41           ` Dario Teixeira
2011-03-30 18:12             ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 15:44           ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 18:24             ` Martin Jambon
2011-03-25 19:19               ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 20:26                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-26  9:11                   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-26 10:31                   ` Richard W.M. Jones [this message]
2011-03-30 16:56                     ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-30 19:24                       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-04-20 21:44                   ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-19  9:57                 ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-19 10:05                   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-19 20:26                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-20  7:59                     ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-20 12:30                       ` Markus Mottl
2011-04-20 12:53                         ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-20 13:22                           ` Markus Mottl
2011-04-20 14:00                       ` Edgar Friendly
2011-04-19 22:49                 ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-30 17:02               ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 19:23               ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 20:05                 ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-20 23:00                   ` Jon Harrop
     [not found]                   ` <76544177.594058.1303341821437.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-21  7:48                     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-04-21  8:35                       ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-23 17:32                         ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-21  9:09                       ` Alain Frisch
     [not found]                         ` <799994864.610698.1303412613509.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-22  8:06                           ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-04-22  9:11                             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-23 10:17                               ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-23 13:47                                 ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-23 17:39                                   ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-23 20:18                                     ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-23 21:18                                       ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-24  0:33                                       ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-28 14:42                                         ` orbitz
2011-04-23 19:02                                 ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-22  9:44                             ` Vincent Aravantinos
     [not found]                         ` <20110421.210304.1267840107736400776.Christophe.Troestler+ocaml@umons.ac.be>
2011-04-21 19:53                           ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2011-04-22  8:34                           ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-21 10:09                       ` Philippe Strauss
2011-04-23 17:44                         ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-23 17:05                       ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 20:30                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-20 23:33                   ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 20:27             ` Philippe Strauss
2011-04-19 22:47           ` Jon Harrop
     [not found]           ` <869445701.579183.1303253283515.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-20  9:25             ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 18:45   ` Andrei Formiga
2011-03-30 17:00     ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-13  3:36   ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-13 13:01     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-13 13:09       ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-13 23:04       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-04-16 13:54     ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-24 13:44 Alexy Khrabrov
2011-03-24 14:57 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-24 15:03   ` Joel Reymont
2011-03-24 15:28     ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-03-24 15:48       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-24 15:38     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-25 19:49   ` Richard W.M. Jones

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