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From: oliver <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
To: Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com>
Cc: Wojciech Meyer <wojciech.meyer@gmail.com>,
	Siraaj Khandkar <siraaj@khandkar.net>,
	Arnaud Spiwack <Arnaud.Spiwack@lix.polytechnique.fr>,
	OCaML Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:04:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130525120455.GF1947@siouxsie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPFanBFxeoCgc-eWYGpat_1JFVsqhCXK-PZRgWnJ2K7r5sDRCg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 01:49:46PM +0200, Gabriel Scherer wrote:
> The name "variable" has been used for centuries by the mathematicians
> to denote exactly names that refer to values (of course immutable
> values, we're talking about mathematical objects her). There is no
> point in trying to change it because some people conflate this notion
> with mutability.

Hmhhh.
"Some" people? As far as I remember, I heard these arguments quite often.


> 
> (When you write (x + 1), the value denoted by "x" is an unknown that
> depends on the context/environment; in particular it may vary when
> used in different contexts.)
> 
> The name "variable" is also used in the expression "type variable",
> which denotes for example the 'a in
>   val id : 'a -> 'a
> and which is clearly not associated to any form of mutation.
[...]

Hmhhh, and what about imperative languages?
What part did they broke?
And why did they "misuse" the word "variable" and in which way?

Is it because of mutability, which may break all these
used "mathematical metaphors"?

Can you elaborate on why "variables" are the wrong term or a 2bad" term
in imperative languages and not in functional languages?

The picture is not completely clear, where the imperative approach did it wrong.

Ciao,
   Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-25 12:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-23 23:53 oliver
2013-05-24  9:01 ` Arnaud Spiwack
2013-05-24 23:30   ` oliver
2013-05-24 23:53     ` Siraaj Khandkar
2013-05-25  0:40       ` oliver
2013-05-25  5:14         ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-05-25 11:04           ` oliver
2013-05-25 11:49             ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-05-25 12:04               ` oliver [this message]
2013-05-25 12:30                 ` David Allsopp
2013-05-25 22:42                   ` oliver
2013-05-25 23:24                     ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2013-05-25 22:57               ` oliver
2013-05-25 16:53     ` Kristopher Micinski
2013-05-25 22:44       ` oliver
2013-05-26 15:00 ` oliver
2013-05-26 18:38   ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-26 21:49     ` Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Oliver Bandel
2013-05-27  7:40       ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27  8:37         ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-05-27 20:21           ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27 20:36             ` Török Edwin
2013-05-27 21:10               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28  1:15                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28 18:32                   ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 18:39                     ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-28 18:50                     ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-05-28 19:24                       ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 22:00                     ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-28 22:17                       ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 22:43                         ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-29 20:48                           ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29 21:11                             ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-29 22:02                               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29 22:10                                 ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30  0:51                                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  0:45                               ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  0:57                                 ` Chet Murthy
2013-05-30  1:09                                   ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  4:52                                   ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30  5:04                                     ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  5:05                                     ` Chet Murthy
2013-05-30  5:11                                       ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  6:02                                       ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30  6:36                                         ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  6:47                                           ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30 22:41                                         ` Chet Murthy
2013-05-31  5:27                                           ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-31 13:32                                         ` Mike Lin
2013-06-03  1:15                                           ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30 13:49                                     ` oliver
     [not found]                                   ` <20130530.091844.2217058886454447597.Christophe.Troestler@umons.ac.be>
2013-05-30  7:23                                     ` [Caml-list] Re: Problems to get larger user base Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-05-30  7:51                                   ` OPAM binary packages (was Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables)) Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-05-27  8:53         ` Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Erik de Castro Lopo
2013-05-27 12:38           ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27 12:56             ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-27 20:35               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27 20:57                 ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-28  1:17             ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28  2:44               ` oliver
2013-05-28  3:40                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28  4:05                   ` Norman Hardy
2013-05-28 12:51                     ` oliver
2013-05-28  4:08                   ` Norman Hardy
2013-05-28 12:36                   ` oliver
2013-05-29  6:12                     ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-05-29  7:31                       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-05-29  2:39                   ` Jeff Meister
2013-05-29  2:51                     ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-29  2:57                       ` Jeff Meister
2013-05-29  7:50                         ` Török Edwin
2013-05-29  3:06                     ` oliver
2013-05-28 18:51               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 19:06                 ` Anthony Tavener
2013-05-28 19:47                   ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29  2:25                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28  4:20             ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2013-05-28 18:59               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29  3:08                 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2013-05-26 11:35 [Caml-list] OCaml's variables tools

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